How to spot a cheater...

[Acehole]

You can take over from here Russ...

Please advise us non-cheaters what things we should look for if we suspect
cheating. How exactly are cards marked and so forth.

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[Mike O'Malley]

"Acehole" <anonymous@aol.com> wrote in message
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> You can take over from here Russ...
>
> Please advise us non-cheaters what things we should look for if we suspect
> cheating. How exactly are cards marked and so forth.
>

*yawn*

[Tiajyi]

>Subject: How to spot a cheater...
>From: "Acehole" anonymous@aol.com

>Please advise us non-cheaters what things we should look for if we suspect
>cheating.

Hey! Go read the archives.
The last thing needed is to have that morons posts cluttering up the ng again.

[Bennett Niizawa]

On Jul 31 2003 9:45AM, Acehole wrote:

> You can take over from here Russ...
>
> Please advise us non-cheaters what things we should look for if we suspect
> cheating. How exactly are cards marked and so forth.

You can tivo Russ' posts, they usually rerun about every nine months.
They're kind of staggered between Shark Week on Discovery and 24 hours of
Eastwood on TNT.

HTH.

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[caliguy]

On Jul 31 2003 9:45AM, Acehole wrote:

> You can take over from here Russ...
>
> Please advise us non-cheaters what things we should look for if we suspect
> cheating. How exactly are cards marked and so forth.

There are several videos that you can buy on the subject of cheating at
cards. A lot of information on shuffling, peeking, second dealing, etc.
I bought a video on this subject after I came to the realization that I
lost a great deal more at one casino than at any other casino that I
played at in any state. The first time I played at that casino after
watching and studying the video I couldn't believe my eyes!!! I was
shocked! One of the dealers only suffled half of the deck for the first
40 minutes. Watch a video and you'll know why. Another dealer was holding
the cards while stripping the deck at such an angle so that another
player, who was intently watching, could see which cards would be in the
bottom half of the deck and not in play after the cut. I could go on and
on. Blew my mind. Definately get one of these videos. I would like to
think that most dealers are honest people trying to earn a living, but
there are some real scum of the earth types too. Trust me on this one.

Another thing. Play with a friend or two at the same table if you can.
You can keep an eye on the scum bags and watch out for each other.

Final thing, if you are a cheater don't respond to this. Inevitably when
you end up cheating the wrong person, I'll be the first one to piss on
your grave.

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[Scott Seidman]

"Acehole" <anonymous@aol.com> wrote in
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> You can take over from here Russ...
>
> Please advise us non-cheaters what things we should look for if we
> suspect cheating. How exactly are cards marked and so forth.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>

At some tables, it's real easy. The cheater is the one with the bullet
hole between his eyes

:)

Scott

[Stu Venable]

newgca@aol.com (Newgca) wrote in message
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> How is this possible? No one has been caught cheating in high stakes poker
in
> history. It can only mean two things.
>
> There aren't any cheats or the casinos protect them. Of course you can
come
> with the fact they can't catch them. But they seem to have great success
> catching the cheats who cheat the casinos.
>
> Russ Georgiev

This sort of post confuses me. You say "I'm a man on a mission," yet you
make this incredibly fatalistic statement. It's like saying "I'm going to
change the world!" and in the next breath say, "aw, what's the use?"

It seems to me that this is PRECISELY the sort of information that could
improve this situation, and you are uniquely suited to provide it.

For example: What sort of betting patterns does one see when two or more
players are colluding? What techniques do they use so that these betting
patterns are less obvious? How does a dealer swap an honest deck with a
marked deck? In other words, what are the "symptoms" of a crooked game?

Will knowing this stop cheaters? Absolutely not. But will it make their jobs
harder? Yes.

Also, if players armed with this knowledge walk away from tables where they
suspect cheating, and as more and more players know these things, more and
more players will walk away, the cheaters will end up just playing with
themselves (excuse the pun).

Wouldn't this do more to clean up the game and improve its image than
accusing various poker pros of cheating or digging up their "colorful"
pasts?

Stu Venable
www.poxyboggards.com
www.happyjacks.org

[caliguy]

On Jul 31 2003 11:57AM, Newgca wrote:

> >At some tables, it's real easy. The cheater is the one with the bullet
> >hole between his eyes
> >
> >:)
> >
> >Scott
>
> How is this possible? No one has been caught cheating in high stakes poker in
> history. It can only mean two things.
>
> There aren't any cheats or the casinos protect them. Of course you can come
> with the fact they can't catch them. But they seem to have great success
> catching the cheats who cheat the casinos.
>
> Russ Georgiev

You write a book about this and I'll buy ten copies and give 9 out to
friends. A book detailing, as another responder wrote,"the symptoms of a
crooked game." I have realized that you can't win against crooked game no
matter how good you are or how much you tip the dealers hoping that they
won't f*** you over. Not gonna happen. I've given up. What the hell do
you do when you catch them anyway? Management is involved. Yes, I know
this for sure and agree with you here. No doubt about it. Gaming
Commission doesn't care or is on the payroll. They'll help the casino
defend itself against cheats but not a poker player against the casino and
their cheats bringing in a little extra $ ; ). What do you do? You want
to make money, write a book on this. I've read tons of books on strategy
and theory and have come to the realization that it doesn't mean squat
unless I am playing Turbo Hold'em or in a totally clean game (rare). Why
not send your detailed info to the press or the gov people who hate
gambling anyway? Give them some ammunition so that it looks like the
scamming machine is being threatened to be shut down. I know a lot of
people would be upset with a casino opening up in their neighborhood and
bringing in the scum of the planet 2 blocks away. Maybe that will help
clean it up. You'd know better than me.

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[carl]

"Bennett Niizawa" <beandoggerel@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3f294dfe$0$63814$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> On Jul 31 2003 9:45AM, Acehole wrote:
>
> > You can take over from here Russ...
> >
> > Please advise us non-cheaters what things we should look for if we suspect
> > cheating. How exactly are cards marked and so forth.
>
> You can tivo Russ' posts, they usually rerun about every nine months.
> They're kind of staggered between Shark Week on Discovery and 24 hours of
> Eastwood on TNT.
>

I hope you are not suggesting that Eastwood is somehow on the same level as Russ?
Eastwood is a god. Nuff said.
(Although I also think you're being a bit unfair to sharks too.)

[AcesLow]

How to spot a cheater:

You: What's Your name?

Me: My name is Russ--

You: Cheater!!!!

Simple.

--Russ (not Georgiev)

[Riapeno]

The following website is all about cheating at/with cards:

http://cardshark.fm/intro_frs.shtml

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Riapeno

"Acehole" <anonymous@aol.com> wrote in message news:<3f294798$0$5051$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> You can take over from here Russ...
>
> Please advise us non-cheaters what things we should look for if we suspect
> cheating. How exactly are cards marked and so forth.
>

[Vince lepore]

newgca@aol.com (Newgca) wrote in message news:<20030731145717.18774.00000749@mb-m18.aol.com>...
> >At some tables, it's real easy. The cheater is the one with the bullet
> >hole between his eyes
> >
> >:)
> >
> >Scott
>
> How is this possible? No one has been caught cheating in high stakes poker in
> history. It can only mean two things.
>
> There aren't any cheats or the casinos protect them.

Do you have a problem with logic or the truth or both. Your statement
is a self serving defense of your accusations accusing the world of
being cheats. It is obvious to anyone reading it that to justify your
claims of being the Greatest Cheater Catcher you must prove or at
least claim that cheating is constantly occurring in poker games.
Otherwise you are as you seem,"a nothing". You cite truth and logic in
closing your posts but have no idea of what constitutes either.


Vinve, your honest cousin.





Of course you can come
> with the fact they can't catch them. But they seem to have great success
> catching the cheats who cheat the casinos.
>
> Russ Georgiev

[Russ Georgiev]

leporeva@hotmail.com (Vince lepore) wrote in message news:<bbdd5c2d.0308011335.210725ec@posting.google.com>...
> newgca@aol.com (Newgca) wrote in message news:<20030731145717.18774.00000749@mb-m18.aol.com>...
> > >At some tables, it's real easy. The cheater is the one with the bullet
> > >hole between his eyes
> > >
> > >:)
> > >
> > >Scott
> >
> > How is this possible? No one has been caught cheating in high stakes poker in
> > history. It can only mean two things.
> >
> > There aren't any cheats or the casinos protect them.
>
> Do you have a problem with logic or the truth or both. Your statement
> is a self serving defense of your accusations accusing the world of
> being cheats. It is obvious to anyone reading it that to justify your
> claims of being the Greatest Cheater Catcher you must prove or at
> least claim that cheating is constantly occurring in poker games.
> Otherwise you are as you seem,"a nothing". You cite truth and logic in
> closing your posts but have no idea of what constitutes either.
>
>
> Vinve, your honest cousin.


No Vinny, any intelligent person can see there has never been any high
stakes cheating fo in the last 35 years this is the only game no high
stakes cheat has ever ben caught in. They catch them cheating every
other game in the casino, but poker. The catch people cheating in
business, taxes, on their spouses and everything known, but high
stakes poker. I am a moron and can only coe to a few conclusions.

A. There are no high stakes poker cheats.

B. The casinos can't catch them.

C. The casino protect them.

D. Since I am a moron, I can't figure out another scenario. Perhaps
someone as bright as yourself will come up with D?


The way I look at things, is if the casinos can catch cheats in every
other game, they should be able to catch those cheating in poker. If
they haven't caught a cheat in high stakes poker in 35 years, the guys
trying to catch the cheats must be totally ineffective or totally on
the take. Just a moron's opinion. Perhaps a genuis as yourself would
care to show me the error of my ways.

Russ Georgiev
>
>
>
>
>
> Of course you can come
> > with the fact they can't catch them. But they seem to have great success
> > catching the cheats who cheat the casinos.
> >
> > Russ Georgiev

[Russ Georgiev]

leporeva@hotmail.com (Vince lepore) wrote in message news:<bbdd5c2d.0308011335.210725ec@posting.google.com>...
> newgca@aol.com (Newgca) wrote in message news:<20030731145717.18774.00000749@mb-m18.aol.com>...
> > >At some tables, it's real easy. The cheater is the one with the bullet
> > >hole between his eyes
> > >
> > >:)
> > >
> > >Scott
> >
> > How is this possible? No one has been caught cheating in high stakes poker in
> > history. It can only mean two things.
> >
> > There aren't any cheats or the casinos protect them.
>
> Do you have a problem with logic or the truth or both. Your statement
> is a self serving defense of your accusations accusing the world of
> being cheats. It is obvious to anyone reading it that to justify your
> claims of being the Greatest Cheater Catcher you must prove or at
> least claim that cheating is constantly occurring in poker games.
> Otherwise you are as you seem,"a nothing". You cite truth and logic in
> closing your posts but have no idea of what constitutes either.
>
>
> Vinve, your honest cousin.
>
I caught John Martino and Bill Nirdlinger and they confessed on tape,
what more do you want? Who has a better record for catching cheaters
than I do? Who has caught 3 high stakes poker cheaters besides me? I
caught myself. That's three confesions on tape. Who else in the world
has this?



>
>
>
>
> Of course you can come
> > with the fact they can't catch them. But they seem to have great success
> > catching the cheats who cheat the casinos.
> >
> > Russ Georgiev