Software: Online Hold'em Inspector

[James]

Hello Online Poker Players,

We've just released new online poker software. It's called Online Hold'em
Inspector and you can check it out at www.pokerinspector.com.

Online Hold'em Inspector can "watch" your table and display odds &
simulation results instantly for all betting rounds. No typing or mouse
clicking is required.

For other unique features and screenshots, please visit our website. You
might say, "Wow!".

Thank you,
Robert and James
www.pokerinspector.com
"Instant Odds for Online Poker"

[Soleo]

Hello All,

Yes, this is another public application of this new kind of software
"leveling field". Let me make some speculations about this and draw some
prospects for online poker in 1-2 years.

Who do you think most likely will use this kind of software? Loose one who
play poker to take some fun? No. He'll better quit playing online after
looking at such publically available tools which are making game so
mechanical. Will he quit? - See below.
Then who will use it? I think it may be any person who has not enough
natural poker abilities or experience. However some will use it and it
will make their game even worse. Like that centipede which is now see how
many foots have and thinking about how to step forward. Some of them may
stay weak even seeing that some hand winning 85%. "But what if he has
bigger full-house?!" :-)

Some people who are already good players will use such software to
fine-tune their play, to use it as an amplifier of skills they already
have. Then those good players avoiding usage of such software will put
themself to disadvantage comparing to those good players who will use it.

But let's just imagine that there are no more loose players in online
poker and field is "leveled" as John B., author of similar application
here said. Do you think game will still be profitable for 10 people armed
with this tool playing against each other? :-))) No, it's obvious that
only house will make money in regular full table games since loose players
stop playing, if only people stay who use such software.

So as soon as loose recreational poker players quit playing, this tool
will become unusable because leveled field will be completely dead - there
would be no single penny of income money.

Will this happen soon? I don't know, this software presence may scare
recreational players and may not. May be not because statistical soft like
PokerStat/PokerTracker is probably not affect their mind too much.

Any thoughts?

Soleo

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[bonkey]

I had made this same software about a year ago. I never had the guts to
actually try and sell it though. I would be interested to know how you
overcame the problem of reading the players hole cards. Since most sites
only show the picture of the cards and don't log them anywhere.

My software (Poker Pal) tries to go a step furhter and provides game
analyasys (loose/tight - agressive/passive) and provide sklansky based
advice for every hand.

I won't be selling mine, but it is interesting to see that someone else
had the same idea and is actually selling it. I approached some of the
online poker sites to see if they would object to me selling it. After I
did most of the sites changed their software to try and break my program.

Like truepoker made it so that log files didnt record until the hand was
completed. Most of the sites you can simply read the text off of the
screen like UB. But I never overcame the problem of the hole cards and
required the user to type them in.

Anyway, I wish you luck and would be interested in discussing your
software. It's always interesting when who people develop the same
software.

--Bonkey

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[Poker Inspector]

"Soleo" <anonymous@mail.ru> wrote in message
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> Yes, this is another public application of this new kind of software
> "leveling field".

How about poker books? Should we tell David and Gary to stop selling their
books?

There are more to poker than numbers. Online Hold'em Inspector doesn't know
the exact situation you're in (betting history, type of game, pot size, your
relative position, ...). If someone new to this game makes up bettig
decisions solely based on numbers, he or she will go bust.

Robert
www.pokerinspector.com
"Instant Odds for Online Poker"

[Matt]

"James" <james@pokerinspector.com> wrote in message news:<bgc35r$ceg$1@sun-news.laserlink.net>...
> Hello Online Poker Players,
>
> We've just released new online poker software. It's called Online Hold'em
> Inspector and you can check it out at www.pokerinspector.com.
>
> Online Hold'em Inspector can "watch" your table and display odds &
> simulation results instantly for all betting rounds. No typing or mouse
> clicking is required.
>
> For other unique features and screenshots, please visit our website. You
> might say, "Wow!".


I downloaded this out of curiosity, then headed to a Party Poker play
table to see how it works. First hand, the problems started. It
recognized the King of Diamonds on the turn as a King of Clubs.

Then, after the hand, it continually popped up error messages that
would pop up again as soon as closed out. I had to close out PP to
finally make it stop, and even then, it was a terminate program deal.

Interesting idea, but I won't be running it again, even for free. Too
buggy to be useful at the moment.'

Matt

[Poker Inspector]

Matt,

What was the error message?
Did it say "Invalid betting round"?
Also do you remember what the other cards were?
Anyone else had similar problems??

All bugs will be fixed immediately and updates available el pronto.

Robert,
www.pokerinspector.com
"Instant Odds for Online Poker"


"Matt" <kgarnett@email.com> wrote in message
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> "James" <james@pokerinspector.com> wrote in message
news:<bgc35r$ceg$1@sun-news.laserlink.net>...
> > Hello Online Poker Players,
> >
> > We've just released new online poker software. It's called Online
Hold'em
> > Inspector and you can check it out at www.pokerinspector.com.
> >
> > Online Hold'em Inspector can "watch" your table and display odds &
> > simulation results instantly for all betting rounds. No typing or mouse
> > clicking is required.
> >
> > For other unique features and screenshots, please visit our website.
You
> > might say, "Wow!".
>
>
> I downloaded this out of curiosity, then headed to a Party Poker play
> table to see how it works. First hand, the problems started. It
> recognized the King of Diamonds on the turn as a King of Clubs.
>
> Then, after the hand, it continually popped up error messages that
> would pop up again as soon as closed out. I had to close out PP to
> finally make it stop, and even then, it was a terminate program deal.
>
> Interesting idea, but I won't be running it again, even for free. Too
> buggy to be useful at the moment.'
>
> Matt

[Checkraiser]

> How about poker books? Should we tell David and Gary to stop selling their
> books?

Nice try, but you are comparing about apples and oranges, really.

> There are more to poker than numbers. Online Hold'em Inspector doesn't know
> the exact situation you're in (betting history, type of game, pot size, your
> relative position, ...). If someone new to this game makes up bettig
> decisions solely based on numbers, he or she will go bust.

Hehe..that it is for now. As far as I can see, you are very keen on
upgrading the product. Who knows when all this will stop. Perhaps you
will be marketing a bot in a year or two. I am aware that there is a
long way from table and card recognition to actually bot implement,
but is it possible? Of course it is. Where are the limits, I wonder.
Next day I am awake, everybody would play with bots they bought on the
market...

That said, you made a fine software product. And it is just the start.
Although I would prefer that the cards would be the same in your
program as in Party client I would prefer that the Ace of Clubs
wouldn't appear just before the right card comes on the screen.

Just one more thing. Could you explain a little bit more about the
actual programming of a such tool. You said that the program can see
whatever the player can see. So it would be possible even to read
players' names and bankroll sizes and so on? is this also done by
pattern recognition? Will you be offering the product also for other
poker sites? Maybe you should focus on this, not on developing 7stud.
Anyway, good luck!

regards, CR

[Checkraiser]

> So as soon as loose recreational poker players quit playing, this tool
> will become unusable because leveled field will be completely dead - there
> would be no single penny of income money.

I understand your thoughts. But you have to agree that his product -
in this level of production - doesn't offer a great help to the
player, at least not to the experienced one. But with time, this could
become the killing machine, with lots of work and dedication, he could
market a tool that would say call/raise/fold on every occasion. He
could do lots of things. Right now, TTH is out, and almost nobody is
using it, and fish don't feel intimidated. I think you don't
understand fish, Mr Soleo. They want to play, they want to feel the
buzz. They don't give shit about numbers. I am seeing such horrible
players at online poker that I am starting to thank Lord every day
that he put such delicious fish on my menu. And I wasn't really
religious, before.. :)

> Will this happen soon? I don't know, this software presence may scare
> recreational players and may not. May be not because statistical soft like
> PokerStat/PokerTracker is probably not affect their mind too much.
>
> Any thoughts?

Yes, you are right on the subject. People just don't care. At least
not until they can't outright cheat. PokerStat/Tracker is a tool that
needs dedication for someone to go through its results and find
something meaningful. With Poker Inspector, I believe that its
findings (many, many words) are just too much to any player to
actually get anything from it in short space of time. But when such
tools produce Bet/Raise/Fold, then there are the problems.

BTW: I wonder, what would these sites do to with people who try to
interfere in their business. There are people who make millions in
this business, I think that they would try really hard to defend their
interests. How? I dunno. Of course they wouldn't be able to go through
any legal action, as they are illegal in US in the 1st place.

regards, CR

[Poker Inspector]

"Checkraiser" <a2_a3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Perhaps you will be marketing a bot in a year or two.

We are not in business of creating bots.

> I would prefer that the cards would be the same in your program
> as in Party client

We didn't want to use someone else's artwork. Also their cards are too big
for our program.

> I would prefer that the Ace of Clubs wouldn't appear just before the
> right card comes on the screen.

Yes that happens quite often. What happens is that the program sees a card
but it's not 100% sure what that card is. By default, if it's not sure what
the card is it puts up Ac. It then goes back and captures the correct card.
We tried to fix this but that section of the code is complicatied and didn't
want to break somethign. We'll try to look into it one more time. You
might want to set the Time Delay to 0.5 sec instead of 1 sec.

> Could you explain a little bit more about the actual programming of
> a such tool. You said that the program can see
> whatever the player can see. So it would be possible even to read
> players' names and bankroll sizes and so on? is this also done by
> pattern recognition?

It can be done by pattern recognition or by reading the text.
The pattern recognition method is time consuming and the text
method is not always reliable.

> Will you be offering the product also for other poker sites?

Our next supported sites will be Ultimate Bet and Paradise Poker.

> Maybe you should focus on this, not on developing 7stud

Why would you say such a thing? You're not a 7Stud player, are you?

Robert,
www.pokerinspector.com
"Instant Odds for Online Poker"

[Checkraiser]

> > Perhaps you will be marketing a bot in a year or two.
> We are not in business of creating bots.

I didn't say you are right now. But who knows the future. And of
course, I am not concerned just about you, there are many people
capable of doing this.

> > I would prefer that the Ace of Clubs wouldn't appear just before the
> > right card comes on the screen.
>
> Yes that happens quite often. What happens is that the program sees a card
> but it's not 100% sure what that card is. By default, if it's not sure what
> the card is it puts up Ac. It then goes back and captures the correct card.

How is this possible that it isn't sure? There is the right card or
not, right?

> It can be done by pattern recognition or by reading the text.
> The pattern recognition method is time consuming and the text
> method is not always reliable.

What do you mean by that? Do you feel that poker sites try hard to
prevent people not to be able make application like you have done? Is
their software protected in any way (not that they have succeeded with
you)?

> > Maybe you should focus on this, not on developing 7stud
>
> Why would you say such a thing? You're not a 7Stud player, are you?

Ahm, yes you are right, I am a holdem player. But it has nothing to do
with it...many more people play holdem, so maybe you should focus on
that. On the other hand, as there are much more exposed cards at
7stud, actually I see much more use of your program at 7stud than at
holdem.

regards, CR

[Matt]

"Poker Inspector" <james@pokerinspector.com> wrote in message news:<bgfghf$fiu$1@sun-news.laserlink.net>...
> Matt,
>
> What was the error message?
> Did it say "Invalid betting round"?

Yup - over, and over, and over. ;)

Matt

[Poker Inspector]

Matt,

Just want to let you know that the problem you were having is fixed in
version 1.03 (current version is 1.04).

Robert,
www.pokerinspector.com
"Instant Odds for Online Poker"

"Matt" <kgarnett@email.com> wrote in message
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> "Poker Inspector" <james@pokerinspector.com> wrote in message
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> > Matt,
> >
> > What was the error message?
> > Did it say "Invalid betting round"?
>
> Yup - over, and over, and over. ;)
>
> Matt