Low limit SNG is harder to win?

[DarkD]

I am finding it very hard to win low limit SNG's. It seems that everyone is
rich because they don't seem to care about going all-in on QJ or some other
crap. I am lucky to make the last 3 if people haven't chased me all the time
on the craziest backdoor flushes and straights. If I do make the last 2 or 3
one guy has lucked out going all in on crap and cleaned out the other 5
players giving him a monster stack that I can't take down without getting
very lucky with repeated all-ins in heads up.

I go up limits and constantly making a small amount of money. But Im not
really playing for money so I would rather not risk so much... but the low
limits are just so terribly crap... ah well.

[neufel42]

Be more patient and more aggressive on premium hands.

I try only to play premium hands early and wait for the idiots to knock each
other out.  Once it is down to 6 - 5 ppl left the play gets a bit better and you
can play a bit more.  If it is still really loose just wait for a few more to
take each other out.  Before long you will be in the money.

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[thenutlow]

On Oct 12 2005 2:30 PM, DarkD wrote:

> I am finding it very hard to win low limit SNG's. It seems that everyone is
> rich because they don't seem to care about going all-in on QJ or some other
> crap. I am lucky to make the last 3 if people haven't chased me all the time
> on the craziest backdoor flushes and straights. If I do make the last 2 or 3
> one guy has lucked out going all in on crap and cleaned out the other 5
> players giving him a monster stack that I can't take down without getting
> very lucky with repeated all-ins in heads up.

You are obviously not using a good strategy. Try posting it, or going
through some HH's and see if you can see where your leak is. If you are
getting all your money in with JJ vs A9, thats not a leak. Find the leaks,
not the bad beats.

> I go up limits and constantly making a small amount of money. But Im not
> really playing for money so I would rather not risk so much... but the low
> limits are just so terribly crap... ah well.

This is a fallicy often used by people who tend to try and bluff too much,
rather then value bet and sit and wait. Maybe this is you, I dont know.
HH's will teach you a lot, and its quite fun


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Is the future, we wont die
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[Raider Fan]

On Oct 12 2005 7:30 AM, DarkD wrote:

> I am finding it very hard to win low limit SNG's.

Where are you playing? If you're playing at Party and starting with T800
and 10/15 blinds, you need to play much differently than playing at Stars
and starting with T1500 and 10/20 blinds. It sounds like your game is
better suited for Stars. Regardless of where you play, you need to be
careful in the early rounds of low limit SNG's. As you have noticed, many
players have only watched ESPN or the Travel Channel.

I suggest playing at Stars and seeing cheap flops early with any pocket
pair, suited connector or suited one-gapper looking for a big flop.
You'll be amazed how many times you can double up against someone with top
pair, weak kicker. If you don't have the patience to play the regular
SNG's there (I sure don't), then I strongly suggest you try the Turbos.
There's still plenty of play in them, the juice is reduced, and they get
done in less than an hour.

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[ragscollector]

are you sure you want him to post HHs so you can help him or just ridicule him
like you do everyone else on this site?  I only ask because it seems to me you
wanted to put all BAHHs and bad beat rants posters into kill files. 

Everytime I see you comment on someone's BAHH or question you offer more in the
way of demeaning arrogance instead of any actual advice.

p.s. fallacy, not fallicy

just a question to you no harm meant

On Oct 12 2005 8:54 AM, thenutlow wrote:

> On Oct 12 2005 2:30 PM, DarkD wrote:
>
> > I am finding it very hard to win low limit SNG's. It seems that everyone is
> > rich because they don't seem to care about going all-in on QJ or some other
> > crap. I am lucky to make the last 3 if people haven't chased me all the time
> > on the craziest backdoor flushes and straights. If I do make the last 2 or 3
> > one guy has lucked out going all in on crap and cleaned out the other 5
> > players giving him a monster stack that I can't take down without getting
> > very lucky with repeated all-ins in heads up.
>
> You are obviously not using a good strategy. Try posting it, or going
> through some HH's and see if you can see where your leak is. If you are
> getting all your money in with JJ vs A9, thats not a leak. Find the leaks,
> not the bad beats.
>
> > I go up limits and constantly making a small amount of money. But Im not
> > really playing for money so I would rather not risk so much... but the low
> > limits are just so terribly crap... ah well.
>
> This is a fallicy often used by people who tend to try and bluff too much,
> rather then value bet and sit and wait. Maybe this is you, I dont know.
> HH's will teach you a lot, and its quite fun
>
>
> White boy gangsta rap
> Is the future, we wont die
> Word to your mother



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[fffurken]

>It seems that everyone is rich because they don't seem to care about going all->in on QJ or some other crap.

Try not to pay too much attention to how everyone else is doing,
particularly early on. Play solid poker and wait for decent cards and
don't be frightened to push them hard.

This type of scenario (playing against loose maniacs) is much worse in
re-buy events IMO ;)

[Ron Dworkin]

"Everytime I see you comment on someone's BAHH or question you offer
more in the
way of demeaning arrogance instead of any actual advice."

While he can come off being arrogant at times, there are not many
around here that offer more in the way of consistently good advice.
If you are not finding any 'actual advice' in most of his
strategy/advice posts there is something wrong.

[ragscollector]

for the most part i just see him abuse people for their, as he puts it
stupidity.  While i am all for constructive criticism and open to advice to
improve my game there isn't that much of a need at the same time for an
antagonist.  That's all im trying to say

On Oct 12 2005 10:31 AM, Ron Dworkin wrote:

> "Everytime I see you comment on someone's BAHH or question you offer
> more in the
> way of demeaning arrogance instead of any actual advice."
>
> While he can come off being arrogant at times, there are not many
> around here that offer more in the way of consistently good advice.
> If you are not finding any 'actual advice' in most of his
> strategy/advice posts there is something wrong.



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in order to do that, you have to understand how they're playing and
what the best counter-strategy is.

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[Aboo]

"This type of scenario (playing against loose maniacs) is much worse in
re-buy events IMO ;) "

I LOVE this type of scenerio in Re-buy events! I just have to hit a
flop once or twice and don't have to worry about getting crazy myself
and having to re-buy. :)

[FaceDownAcesUp]

neufel42 wrote:
> Be more patient and more aggressive on premium hands.
>
> I try only to play premium hands early and wait for the idiots to knock each
> other out. Once it is down to 6 - 5 ppl left the play gets a bit better and you
> can play a bit more. If it is still really loose just wait for a few more to
> take each other out. Before long you will be in the money.
>
> http://holdem.kicks-ass.org/ Track your Tournament Progress
>
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You should try to take the chips from the people who are going to piss
them away early. In these 5-10 SNGs there are always a few morons just
giving away chips at the start. If you can double up early then you can
sit back and wait for the premium hands. You don't need to worry about
not getting paid off either, nobody pays attention.

[thenutlow]

On Oct 12 2005 4:08 PM, ragscollector wrote:

> are you sure you want him to post HHs so you can help him or just ridicule
him
> like you do everyone else on this site?  I only ask because it seems to me
you
> wanted to put all BAHHs and bad beat rants posters into kill files. 

I don't know why I respond to you, but here goes

There is a huge difference between a Boring Hand History, and an
interesting Hand History.

You get it all in with AA preflop, and lose, what did I do wrong? they are
the BAHH's. Others are interesting.

As for bad beat ranters, most people find them annoying. Goes like this.
Player has a big hand, villain hits a card on the river that was most
certainly still left in the deck, villain loses money. Any experienced
player has seen hands like this over and over and over. THe need to post
it to a bunch of strangers is strange in my view.

> Everytime I see you comment on someone's BAHH or question you offer more in
the
> way of demeaning arrogance instead of any actual advice.

This is clearly incorrect. Try searching through some of my posts the last
couple of days. There is quite a bit of advice there. When you see it,
please spend some time debunking what I write. This is what NG's are all
about. If someone could prove me wrong everytime I posted, I would be
delighted.

> p.s. fallacy, not fallicy

thanks for that. It seems like you have settled into RGP perfectly. Next
you will be picking up on some grammatical errors as well. Thats much more
useful.

> just a question to you no harm meant

no *harm* taken. I think you have a low opinion of me considering all the
above-average posts i do make, but life goes on.

> On Oct 12 2005 8:54 AM, thenutlow wrote:
>
> > On Oct 12 2005 2:30 PM, DarkD wrote:
> >
> > > I am finding it very hard to win low limit SNG's. It seems that everyone
is
> > > rich because they don't seem to care about going all-in on QJ or some
other
> > > crap. I am lucky to make the last 3 if people haven't chased me all the
time
> > > on the craziest backdoor flushes and straights. If I do make the last 2
or 3
> > > one guy has lucked out going all in on crap and cleaned out the other 5
> > > players giving him a monster stack that I can't take down without getting
> > > very lucky with repeated all-ins in heads up.
> >
> > You are obviously not using a good strategy. Try posting it, or going
> > through some HH's and see if you can see where your leak is. If you are
> > getting all your money in with JJ vs A9, thats not a leak. Find the leaks,
> > not the bad beats.
> >
> > > I go up limits and constantly making a small amount of money. But Im not
> > > really playing for money so I would rather not risk so much... but the
low
> > > limits are just so terribly crap... ah well.
> >
> > This is a fallicy often used by people who tend to try and bluff too much,
> > rather then value bet and sit and wait. Maybe this is you, I dont know.
> > HH's will teach you a lot, and its quite fun
> >
> >
> > White boy gangsta rap
> > Is the future, we wont die
> > Word to your mother


White boy gangsta rap
Is the future, we wont die
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[Lounge Lizard]

Does re-rebluffing with J6 no longer rock?

On Oct 12 2005 5:54 AM, thenutlow wrote:

> On Oct 12 2005 2:30 PM, DarkD wrote:
>
> > I am finding it very hard to win low limit SNG's. It seems that everyone is
> > rich because they don't seem to care about going all-in on QJ or some other
> > crap. I am lucky to make the last 3 if people haven't chased me all the time
> > on the craziest backdoor flushes and straights. If I do make the last 2 or 3
> > one guy has lucked out going all in on crap and cleaned out the other 5
> > players giving him a monster stack that I can't take down without getting
> > very lucky with repeated all-ins in heads up.
>
> You are obviously not using a good strategy. Try posting it, or going
> through some HH's and see if you can see where your leak is. If you are
> getting all your money in with JJ vs A9, thats not a leak. Find the leaks,
> not the bad beats.
>
> > I go up limits and constantly making a small amount of money. But Im not
> > really playing for money so I would rather not risk so much... but the low
> > limits are just so terribly crap... ah well.
>
> This is a fallicy often used by people who tend to try and bluff too much,
> rather then value bet and sit and wait. Maybe this is you, I dont know.
> HH's will teach you a lot, and its quite fun
>
>
> White boy gangsta rap
> Is the future, we wont die
> Word to your mother



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[thenutlow]

On Oct 14 2005 1:44 AM, Lounge Lizard wrote:

> Does re-rebluffing with J6 no longer rock?

it used to, the evolution of poker now means other moves rock.. but I
shall not be making them public!

> On Oct 12 2005 5:54 AM, thenutlow wrote:
>
> > On Oct 12 2005 2:30 PM, DarkD wrote:
> >
> > > I am finding it very hard to win low limit SNG's. It seems that everyone
is
> > > rich because they don't seem to care about going all-in on QJ or some
other
> > > crap. I am lucky to make the last 3 if people haven't chased me all the
time
> > > on the craziest backdoor flushes and straights. If I do make the last 2
or 3
> > > one guy has lucked out going all in on crap and cleaned out the other 5
> > > players giving him a monster stack that I can't take down without getting
> > > very lucky with repeated all-ins in heads up.
> >
> > You are obviously not using a good strategy. Try posting it, or going
> > through some HH's and see if you can see where your leak is. If you are
> > getting all your money in with JJ vs A9, thats not a leak. Find the leaks,
> > not the bad beats.
> >
> > > I go up limits and constantly making a small amount of money. But Im not
> > > really playing for money so I would rather not risk so much... but the
low
> > > limits are just so terribly crap... ah well.
> >
> > This is a fallicy often used by people who tend to try and bluff too much,
> > rather then value bet and sit and wait. Maybe this is you, I dont know.
> > HH's will teach you a lot, and its quite fun
> >
> >
> > White boy gangsta rap
> > Is the future, we wont die
> > Word to your mother


"If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
you just don't know the right math"

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[TD Lowball]

In article <c2o423xkvo.ln2@recgroups.com>,
"Raider Fan" <raidersgotscrewed1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > They way I do it, is that whenever I'm below 700 chips (In a Party 800
> > chip structure), I go into agressive Move in/Ante steal mode,
>
> I'm guessing you mean blind steal since Party doesn't have antes.

I play stud tournaments. Do party HE tournaments have ante's on the
higher levels?

TD Lowball --

[Raider Fan]

On Oct 14 2005 4:15 PM, TD Lowball wrote:

>
> I play stud tournaments. Do party HE tournaments have ante's on the
> higher levels?
>
> TD Lowball --

No sir. No antes in any Omaha or HE tourneys on Party.

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