strategy question

[MATT5454]

hey basic strategy questions...

get like AQs or AJs or something similar, and you raise early, and you are
reraised...what you should you be thinking here? What about when the flop comes
rags...check or bet? if you check and he bets?

thanks

[Timmay!]

I agree with Greg in that raising with that had in early position is a bad
move. If i did do it for whatever reason and got reraised, I would almost
certainly fold, unless I know the player well.

In tournament play, especially with higher blinds, raising is a good idea,
but I would still most likely fold if I got reraised.

On Aug 3 2003 5:15AM, MATT5454 wrote:

> hey basic strategy questions...
>
> get like AQs or AJs or something similar, and you raise early, and you are
> reraised...what you should you be thinking here? What about when the flop
comes
> rags...check or bet? if you check and he bets?
>
> thanks

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[flop sweat]

On Aug 3 2003 4:15AM, MATT5454 wrote:

> hey basic strategy questions...
>
> get like AQs or AJs or something similar, and you raise early, and you are
> reraised...what you should you be thinking here? What about when the flop
comes
> rags...check or bet? if you check and he bets?

Who are your opponents? Assuming heads up versus a "typical, low-limit"
opponent, I would probably three bet the AQs and bet out on the flop,
assuming I put the last raise in. With AJs, I'd call the raise and bet
out on the flop MOST of the time.

If the raiser is so tight that I "know" that he'll only raise w/ AKo or
better in this situation, I'm stilling calling the raise to see if I can
out flop him (trip queens or jacks or a flush or flush draw).

FS

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[Michael Lemkin]

There are so many variables to this question that it has, by itself, very
little merit. Where are you sitting? what sort of player raised? full
game or short-handed? low-limit, high limit, no-limit? But you have
identified a major problem with raising early with AJ which is -it is hard
to let go if you are re-raised and it is hard to know what you can make to
win - so for me I would rather just call and hope to get a flop I like and
outplay them from then on. Generally you should let go of aj if rags flop
if it is bet - if you take the lead and are called or raised be prepared
to let it go...
On Aug 3 2003 11:46AM, Greg Swann wrote:

> In article <20030803120211.28299.00000863@mb-m24.aol.com>,
> matt5454@aol.com (MATT5454) wrote:
>
> >hey basic strategy questions...
> >
> >get like AQs or AJs or something similar, and you raise early, and you are
> >reraised...what you should you be thinking here? What about when the flop
comes
> >rags...check or bet? if you check and he bets?
>
> I'll bite. Why are you raising early on a
> drawing hand?
>
> 1. To eliminate players? Why? If you make
> your draw, the more the merrier. If you flop
> top two pairs, raise then to scare 'em away.
>
> 2. To define your hand? Maybe. The re-raise
> seems like a good cue to fold.
>
> 3. Free card? That's a post-flop bet.
>
> 4. To get more money into the pot? Yeah,
> but it's more of your money, in small bets.
>
> I can see calling a raise pre-flop with a
> strong flush draw, even raising in late
> position to steal the blinds, but I don't
> see raising a speculative hand early and
> then calling a late re-raise. The obvious
> exeption would be idiots who raise on
> anything. Even then you might as well just
> wait to call the idiot-raise. May take is,
> on a draw I want to see the flop as cheaply
> as I can.
>
> I'd be interested to hear what experienced
> players think about this.
>
> Greg Swann
> http://www.presenceofmind.net/

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[Matu]

"Timmay!" <anonymous@hotmail.com> kirjoitti viestissä
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> I agree with Greg in that raising with that had in early position is a bad
> move. If i did do it for whatever reason and got reraised, I would almost
> certainly fold, unless I know the player well.

It really doesn't matter against who you are playing when you are having
5,5-1 odds at worst to call that reraise, since there is only one hand
you're more than a 5,5-1 dog against.

Even if played against the tightest person known to man who will only
reraise with AA you prob. should still call since you know exactly where you
are.

> In tournament play, especially with higher blinds, raising is a good idea,
> but I would still most likely fold if I got reraised.
>
> On Aug 3 2003 5:15AM, MATT5454 wrote:
>
> > hey basic strategy questions...
> >
> > get like AQs or AJs or something similar, and you raise early, and you
are
> > reraised...what you should you be thinking here? What about when the
flop
> comes
> > rags...check or bet? if you check and he bets?
> >
> > thanks
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>

[V]

matt5454@aol.com (MATT5454) wrote in message news:<20030803120211.28299.00000863@mb-m24.aol.com>...
> hey basic strategy questions...
>
> get like AQs or AJs or something similar, and you raise early, and you are
> reraised...what you should you be thinking here? What about when the flop comes
> rags...check or bet? if you check and he bets?
>
> thanks

I usually don't like to raise with AJs in early position, I do it
sometimes just to vary my play. If you are in middle to late position
and the blinds are tight it is usually a good play to raise. Remember
that with both of these hands you are an underdog to help, you will
flop a pair about 1/3 of the time, and being suited usually doesn't
even come into the equation most of the time. With AQs the same
comments apply, but you are in a little better shape because of the
higher kicker. I don't think there is anything wrong with raising with
AQ even UTG if it is possible to limit the field and you are against
average opponents. If that is not possible then the raise is more
questionable.
I would feel a lot more comfortable with AQ if I don't get
reraised. If I do get reraised then that's when the hand becomes very
tricky to play. You may already be beaten or have an ace come only to
see you are against AK. This is assuming you are being reraised by
reasonable players. As for your question about when the flops comes
rags, well the answer is it depends. If I have any chance to pick up
the pot I will bet with just overcards. If I am against someone who
calls too much then obviously a bet is less correct. Also keep in mind
how the preflop action went down. If I raise with AQ and get reraised
and I feel that my opponent is weaker than I am I will be more than
willing to take it to a 4th bet to take the lead. In that case if rags
flop a bet will be much more likely to pick up the pot right there.
Obviously if you do this you are commiting yourself to bet on the
flop. If you just call his reraise before the flop it puts you in a
much weaker situation. If you feel you are beat then simply fold.

[SteadyEd O]

>I agree with Greg in that raising with that had in early position is a bad
>move. If i did do it for whatever reason and got reraised, I would almost
>certainly fold, unless I know the player well.

Are you guys nuts? You would fold to a late position raiser with AQs if you
raised early and he reraised you??
Come to my games please!!! AQs is the 8th best hand in holdem Ajs about 10th
best... I don't see a problem with Aqs raising....I certainly wouldn't fold
to a reraise.. How can you??? Once you raise, there are 3 and a half bets in
with bb and sb once he reraises theres6 and a half bets in.. You are getting
6-1 to call there!!!You would fold??10 20 game u raise he reraises 130$ in the
pot if blinds fold more if they call 20$ for you to call him...EASY CALL...

[Bad Bob]

On 04 Aug 2003 11:57:46 GMT, steadyedo@aol.com (SteadyEd O) wrote:

>>I agree with Greg in that raising with that had in early position is a bad
>>move. If i did do it for whatever reason and got reraised, I would almost
>>certainly fold, unless I know the player well.
>
>Are you guys nuts? You would fold to a late position raiser with AQs if you
>raised early and he reraised you??
> Come to my games please!!! AQs is the 8th best hand in holdem Ajs about 10th
>best...
That is its pre-flop value... once the flop comes, if you don't hit
it, then that value is lost... AQ has no value unless you pair one or
come a lot closer to a flush or str8 (like 4 flush or closed str8
draw) count your outs. Try to remember that 22 beats AQ "every time.
Especially when you are in early position "play the cards you have not
what you "might get" and when raised or re-raised you just flat are in
bad position. Beat your head against the wall if you want to...
doesn't cost a dime to wait for the next hand.
Trying to win "every" hand has sent more people to the poor house than
you can count.

>I don't see a problem with Aqs raising....I certainly wouldn't fold
>to a reraise.. How can you??? Once you raise, there are 3 and a half bets in
>with bb and sb once he reraises theres6 and a half bets in.. You are getting
>6-1 to call there!!!You would fold??10 20 game u raise he reraises 130$ in the
>pot if blinds fold more if they call 20$ for you to call him...EASY CALL...



-- Bad Bob the Albino

[Matu]

"Bad Bob" <badbob@blueflintcat.us> kirjoitti viestissä
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> On 04 Aug 2003 11:57:46 GMT, steadyedo@aol.com (SteadyEd O) wrote:
>
> >Are you guys nuts? You would fold to a late position raiser with AQs if
you
> >raised early and he reraised you??
> > Come to my games please!!! AQs is the 8th best hand in holdem Ajs
about 10th
> >best...
> That is its pre-flop value... once the flop comes, if you don't hit
> it, then that value is lost... AQ has no value unless you pair one or
> come a lot closer to a flush or str8 (like 4 flush or closed str8
> draw) count your outs. Try to remember that 22 beats AQ "every time.
> Especially when you are in early position "play the cards you have not
> what you "might get" and when raised or re-raised you just flat are in
> bad position. Beat your head against the wall if you want to...
> doesn't cost a dime to wait for the next hand.
> Trying to win "every" hand has sent more people to the poor house than
> you can count.
>

Rationale might have been a wee bit iffy, but i doubt it wouldn't be a clear
call.
Odds are just too good to fold when only hand you're more than 5,5-1 dog
against is AA and AA isn't the only hand that you're going to get reraised
with even if it is with a really tight player thats good as well.