Re: Theory I had about tight games

[greg]

Of course it depends, ok, my bad using the phrase "what are the
chances...". Can it work? Will it ever work, or will I just lose a bunch
of money. I mean if a table is so tight that no one is going into a
hand with anything less than AKs, chances are I can call with weaker
hands and have a decent chance of winning. Much more than if all the
players in the table are going into all hands, right?

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[steve]

i would play a lot of suited connectors 6/7, 7/8 along with premium
hands and when no high cards flop bet em off the pots. just a thought.
accolplishes 2 things you win and they think you are loose

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[Gary Carson]

Usually calling is a bad idea.


On 07 Aug 2003 01:21:17 GMT, greg <greg@symbiotic-music.com> wrote:

>Of course it depends, ok, my bad using the phrase "what are the
>chances...". Can it work? Will it ever work, or will I just lose a
bunch
>of money. I mean if a table is so tight that no one is going into a
>hand with anything less than AKs, chances are I can call with weaker
>hands and have a decent chance of winning. Much more than if all the
>players in the table are going into all hands, right?
>
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Gary Carson

[flop sweat]

On Aug 6 2003 1:30PM, greg wrote:

> Of course it depends, ok, my bad using the phrase "what are the
> chances...". Can it work? Will it ever work, or will I just lose a bunch
> of money. I mean if a table is so tight that no one is going into a
> hand with anything less than AKs, chances are I can call with weaker
> hands and have a decent chance of winning. Much more than if all the
> players in the table are going into all hands, right?

I think your "theory" could work, but a couple things must happen:

You need to be betting and raising with trash and winning big pots OR you
need to be playing hands that have an edge when you play them, but making
it look like you're playing total trash and winning with it. I think you
have to be an exceptional player to employ a strategy like this
successfully.

If you're up against good players and you're not a superior player, you'll
be in trouble. If you're just up agaisnt garden variety tight passive
players, you'll be painting a big target on your head.

This seems like kind of a dangerous gambit. I mean, if you want a loose
table, why not just find one. It seems a bit risky to try and make one
out of a tight table.

FS

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[WillyC]

On Aug 6 2003 2:30PM, greg wrote:

> Of course it depends, ok, my bad using the phrase "what are the
> chances...". Can it work? Will it ever work, or will I just lose a bunch
> of money. I mean if a table is so tight that no one is going into a
> hand with anything less than AKs, chances are I can call with weaker
> hands and have a decent chance of winning. Much more than if all the
> players in the table are going into all hands, right?

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[WillyC]

On Aug 6 2003 2:30PM, greg wrote:

> Of course it depends, ok, my bad using the phrase "what are the
> chances...". Can it work? Will it ever work, or will I just lose a bunch
> of money. I mean if a table is so tight that no one is going into a
> hand with anything less than AKs, chances are I can call with weaker
> hands and have a decent chance of winning. Much more than if all the
> players in the table are going into all hands, right?
--------Stop by the .25/.50 games at PS and give it a try. They can use a
little loosening up.-------

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[Bing]

On 07 Aug 2003 05:53:26 GMT, "flop sweat" <anonymous@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I think your "theory" could work, but a couple things must happen:
> You need to be betting and raising with trash and winning big pots

Problem is that you won't get big pots at a tight table.

> OR you
> need to be playing hands that have an edge when you play them, but making
> it look like you're playing total trash and winning with it.

That's part of the key. You need to play hands like suited connectors
or suited gappers and play them aggressively. You want to play hands
that aren't TOTAL crap, but are hands that you'd never see a tight
player play. That way, if you ever have to show it, you get the
benefit of them thinking you play lousy cards, without it being
completely true.

But, be prepared to back down at the first sign of trouble.
Keep in mind that the tight players will initially be playing
only high cards, perhaps Queen and up. So, if the flop has one
or more of those high cards, and a tight player refuses to
fold to your bet on the flop, you must stop betting until you
have top-pair-best-kicker beaten.

> If you're up against good players and you're not a superior player, you'll
> be in trouble.

That's a problem. If they are tight because they are good, you
won't get them to change their ways and they will just bide their
time until they can sandbag you.

I recall one time I tried this at a very tight table. I raised
before the flop for 3 hands in a row. Each time, they all folded.
On the 4th hand, I raised again, they all folded and I showed 58s.
No one blinked. The next two hands I actually got good cards and
raised some more. Still no callers. For the 7th hand, I announced
that I wasn't even going to look at my cards and then raised.
Still no callers.

Tough crowd. Table change!

> This seems like kind of a dangerous gambit. I mean, if you want a loose
> table, why not just find one.

Sometimes people don't have the luxury of changing tables.

> It seems a bit risky to try and make one out of a tight table.

True. But, it's a thing of beauty when it works. When I first sit down
at a table that looks like it might be tight, I resolve to raise
pre-flop with any suited gappers or better for the first half-hour,
just to see how the table reacts. If I am stealing a fair number
of pots this way, I keep on doing it.

If I start getting called down most of the time, I back off a little.

If I am never called, I increase the number of hands that I'll raise
pre-flop with.

Tight tables will usually loosen up. You need to be ready to change
tactics if it does.

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