Goodbye cruel world

[Drexel]

Well thats it, the rollercoaster is finally over for me.

After losing 2100 in my last 4 hours play at 10/20 where i watched every
chaser fill two small pairs, trips or inside straights to pip me to every
(bar 3) pot i started favourite in. Tonite i didnt tilt, in fact i can
honestly say i didnt do that much wrong - was tight, tight, tight.

did it do me anygood......did it fuck!!!

Ive been playing for 7 months, read all the relevant books, got wilson 7
stud turbo, read through a lot of the posts in here, asked questions etc.
Going through my spreadsheets i can tell you that i have played 670 hours
in this time and made a profit of $5112.54. That works out at $7.63 per
hour - its been tough going to get it though - emotional rollercoaster,
lots of ridiculously late nights....and even semi perminant pins and
needles in my hand from leaning my head on it for hours on end.

But i ask myself - was it worth it? No is the answer ive come up with. I
think i need to know that if i give that much of myself then there will be
something a little more concrete at the end of it.

Thanks to all the poeple who have tried to dechipher my rantings in here
and gave me sound advice back in return - especially Asha34(never could
get a copy of the book) and Stephen Jacobs.

Good luck guys......cos in the end you all need a bit of it!!

Drexel

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[anon]

If you've only been playing 7 months I guarantee you that the profit you
have is just through pure luck.

Are you a friend of Coreys?



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[Pocket Nothings]

On Aug 8 2003 10:40PM, Drexel wrote:

> Well thats it, the rollercoaster is finally over for me.
>
> After losing 2100 in my last 4 hours play at 10/20...
> ....
> Tonite i didnt tilt, in fact i can
> honestly say i didnt do that much wrong - was tight, tight, tight

If you lost 2100 at 10/20 in 4 hours (26.25 big bets per hour) you were
not playing tight, tight tight.

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[HeartsofIron]

> Tonite i didnt tilt, in fact i can
> honestly say i didnt do that much wrong - was tight, tight, tight.
>
> did it do me anygood......did it fuck!!!

I think you did..... This brings up a question. "If a poker player freaks
but he's away from the table perhaps vomiting blood in the men's room of
The Horseshoe.... is he still on TILT? I mean he obviously didn't just get
up from the table joyious and then end up at the top of the Stratosphere
with an assualt weapon of his choice because of something else.

No I'm thinking (mainly because of this post) you did Tilt.... but either
were blind to it (stupid. I think not.), or didn't want accept the fact
you needed a break. (See a movie... it's cheaper!)

TILT doesn't only mean you make stupid calls. It also means you have the
look or feel of failure. Somewhere in your mind, you knew it was bathtime.
I know if a player is in a downturn, I'll go after him even more. If he
takes a few bad beats, I'll push him even more. How do you know they
didn't target you? Sharks love blood!


> Ive been playing for 7 months, read all the relevant books, got wilson 7
> stud turbo, read through a lot of the posts in here, asked questions etc.
> Going through my spreadsheets i can tell you that i have played 670 hours
> in this time and made a profit of $5112.54. That works out at $7.63 per
> hour -

I doubt you will get much love and sympathy for ONLY!!!! making a
PROFIT!!!! of $7.63 and hour to PLAY POKER!!!! There are alot of people on
here who would love to profit for even a month let along 7 months. 7
months and 760 hours is not alot of time....but at 45 hands an hour,
you've probally played what maybe 30,000 hands.... and at 10/20 I'm
suprised you did that well. Did you work up to 10/20.... maybe go down to
5/10. (If you've played 30,000 hands of poker, I think anything below
might be a waste of time.)

This may sound stupid, but I think p/h averages are a great way of telling
you where you belong. Is that average only 10/20? Or is that playing 5/10
and lower... working your way up? My advice is take a step back and play
5/10 for awhile.

Good Luck! Don't Give up!

Mr. Support

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[VegasBetts]

Yes indeed...Very few players & I mean VERY few can make a living playing
Poker online. Take a break & find yourself a LIVE poker game. If your a
decent player your time will be way more profitable than $7 an hour. Keep
it REAL & Best of LUCK!!

On Aug 8 2003 9:15PM, Floppy wrote:

> On Aug 8 2003 10:40PM, Drexel wrote:
>
> > Well thats it, the rollercoaster is finally over for me.
> >
> > After losing 2100 in my last 4 hours play at 10/20 where i watched every
> > chaser fill two small pairs, trips or inside straights to pip me to every
> > (bar 3) pot i started favourite in. Tonite i didnt tilt, in fact i can
> > honestly say i didnt do that much wrong - was tight, tight, tight.
> >
> > did it do me anygood......did it fuck!!!
> >
> > Ive been playing for 7 months, read all the relevant books, got wilson 7
> > stud turbo, read through a lot of the posts in here, asked questions etc.
> > Going through my spreadsheets i can tell you that i have played 670 hours
> > in this time and made a profit of $5112.54. That works out at $7.63 per
> > hour - its been tough going to get it though - emotional rollercoaster,
> > lots of ridiculously late nights....and even semi perminant pins and
> > needles in my hand from leaning my head on it for hours on end.
> >
> > But i ask myself - was it worth it? No is the answer ive come up with. I
> > think i need to know that if i give that much of myself then there will be
> > something a little more concrete at the end of it.
> >
> > Thanks to all the poeple who have tried to dechipher my rantings in here
> > and gave me sound advice back in return - especially Asha34(never could
> > get a copy of the book) and Stephen Jacobs.
> >
> > Good luck guys......cos in the end you all need a bit of it!!
> >
> > Drexel
>
> Congratulations on your decision. There are more worthwhile and rewarding
> things to do. There is one successful poker pro for every 40 million posts
> on here. Amen.
>
> Floppy

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[E.L. Flake]

You were HARD on tilt....you lost $2100 in a 10-20 game. How about
stopping at $600? Maybe you could average better than.4 big bets an
hour if you stayed off tilt....

[accountant]

Prediction: You'll be back in a week.


> Thanks to all the poeple who have tried to dechipher my rantings in here
> and gave me sound advice back in return - especially Asha34(never could
> get a copy of the book) and Stephen Jacobs.
>
> Good luck guys......cos in the end you all need a bit of it!!
>
> Drexel

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[Drexel]

On Aug 9 2003 4:49AM, HeartsofIron wrote:

> > Tonite i didnt tilt, in fact i can
> > honestly say i didnt do that much wrong - was tight, tight, tight.
> >
> > did it do me anygood......did it fuck!!!
>
> I think you did..... This brings up a question. "If a poker player freaks
> but he's away from the table perhaps vomiting blood in the men's room of
> The Horseshoe.... is he still on TILT? I mean he obviously didn't just get
> up from the table joyious and then end up at the top of the Stratosphere
> with an assualt weapon of his choice because of something else.
>
> No I'm thinking (mainly because of this post) you did Tilt.... but either
> were blind to it (stupid. I think not.), or didn't want accept the fact
> you needed a break. (See a movie... it's cheaper!)
>
> TILT doesn't only mean you make stupid calls. It also means you have the
> look or feel of failure. Somewhere in your mind, you knew it was bathtime.
> I know if a player is in a downturn, I'll go after him even more. If he
> takes a few bad beats, I'll push him even more. How do you know they
> didn't target you? Sharks love blood!

Say this is true..........what could i have done about it. I kept the
same starting standards - i regularly threw away non quality 3 flushes and
smaller 3 straights in postitions that could have cost me more than 1 bet.
With my large pairs i was as aggressive as ever. I thought about
stopping, but then i thought, im not playing badly, the bad beats werent a
pleasure but i was "letting them go" quickly enough and getting on with
it.

>
>
> > Ive been playing for 7 months, read all the relevant books, got wilson 7
> > stud turbo, read through a lot of the posts in here, asked questions etc.
> > Going through my spreadsheets i can tell you that i have played 670 hours
> > in this time and made a profit of $5112.54. That works out at $7.63 per
> > hour -
>
> I doubt you will get much love and sympathy for ONLY!!!! making a
> PROFIT!!!! of $7.63 and hour to PLAY POKER!!!! There are alot of people on
> here who would love to profit for even a month let along 7 months. 7
> months and 760 hours is not alot of time....but at 45 hands an hour,
> you've probally played what maybe 30,000 hands.... and at 10/20 I'm
> suprised you did that well. Did you work up to 10/20.... maybe go down to
> 5/10. (If you've played 30,000 hands of poker, I think anything below
> might be a waste of time.)

Started 1/2 built my way up - made most of my money at 4/8. same players
play at 4/8 and 10/20 with a few notable exceptions (who i dont play). It
doesnt sound stupid to me - i would be a lot better off financially
without 10/20.
>
> This may sound stupid, but I think p/h averages are a great way of telling
> you where you belong. Is that average only 10/20? Or is that playing 5/10
> and lower... working your way up? My advice is take a step back and play
> 5/10 for awhile.
>
> Good Luck! Don't Give up!
>
> Mr. Support

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[Drexel]

Thank you for your concern Don

Dont worry im not contemplating suicide.......its worse im contemplating
getting a job!!!

Good luck to you :)


On Aug 9 2003 5:26AM, Don Quixote wrote:

> Drexel, I pray you are not contemplating suicide. It isnt worth it. Get
> on with life, and put the poker behind you
>
> You mentioned it wasnt worth it. Let me tell you a short story written by
> the "wisest" man in the world, Soloman. You remember that he had
> everything it was possible to have and that most of us just dream of,
> riches and power beyond belief. In the end, he said that it all was
> meaningless. So, to you and others that may be chasing a dream in poker,
> remember that it is really all meaningless.
>
> If you like poker, just play for the recreation and enjoy it. The money
> is just some worthless paper with which to keep score. It is meaningless
> if you dont enjoy life, have a loving family to whom you return that love
> and friends that you can count on and who can count on you. One must be
> loving and friendly to get love and friendship. I wist you well, my
> friend, and also anyone else that might be going through what you are.
>
> God bless!
>
> Don Quixote
>
>
>
> On Aug 9 2003 2:40AM, Drexel wrote:
>
> > Well thats it, the rollercoaster is finally over for me.
> >
> > After losing 2100 in my last 4 hours play at 10/20 where i watched every
> > chaser fill two small pairs, trips or inside straights to pip me to every
> > (bar 3) pot i started favourite in. Tonite i didnt tilt, in fact i can
> > honestly say i didnt do that much wrong - was tight, tight, tight.
> >
> > did it do me anygood......did it fuck!!!
> >
> > Ive been playing for 7 months, read all the relevant books, got wilson 7
> > stud turbo, read through a lot of the posts in here, asked questions etc.
> > Going through my spreadsheets i can tell you that i have played 670 hours
> > in this time and made a profit of $5112.54. That works out at $7.63 per
> > hour - its been tough going to get it though - emotional rollercoaster,
> > lots of ridiculously late nights....and even semi perminant pins and
> > needles in my hand from leaning my head on it for hours on end.
> >
> > But i ask myself - was it worth it? No is the answer ive come up with. I
> > think i need to know that if i give that much of myself then there will be
> > something a little more concrete at the end of it.
> >
> > Thanks to all the poeple who have tried to dechipher my rantings in here
> > and gave me sound advice back in return - especially Asha34(never could
> > get a copy of the book) and Stephen Jacobs.
> >
> > Good luck guys......cos in the end you all need a bit of it!!
> >
> > Drexel

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[Drexel]

OK, ive had 7 months of luck.

If this is true then there is even more good reason to give it up then.

Dont know corey.


On Aug 8 2003 9:04PM, anon wrote:

> If you've only been playing 7 months I guarantee you that the profit you
> have is just through pure luck.
>
> Are you a friend of Coreys?

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[Drexel]

I beg to differ - my starting standards were SOLID. I dont know if i
mentioned in first post but this time was taken over 2 days. On the
second day i considered stopping, but honestly thought that i wasnt doing
too much wrong. Information ive got from here and in poker books rubbish
stop losses - stop when it hurts is what i follow.....when it really began
to hurt i had very little left any way.

On Aug 9 2003 12:30AM, E.L. Flake wrote:

> You were HARD on tilt....you lost $2100 in a 10-20 game. How about
> stopping at $600? Maybe you could average better than.4 big bets an
> hour if you stayed off tilt....

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[Drexel]

If i do return to it i think i would much perfer to play live. In the UK
though there arent so many places to play 7 stud.

Break is forced upon me now no matter what :)

Thanks

On Aug 9 2003 5:33AM, VegasBetts wrote:

> Yes indeed...Very few players & I mean VERY few can make a living playing
> Poker online. Take a break & find yourself a LIVE poker game. If your a
> decent player your time will be way more profitable than $7 an hour. Keep
> it REAL & Best of LUCK!!
>
> On Aug 8 2003 9:15PM, Floppy wrote:
>
> > On Aug 8 2003 10:40PM, Drexel wrote:
> >
> > > Well thats it, the rollercoaster is finally over for me.
> > >
> > > After losing 2100 in my last 4 hours play at 10/20 where i watched every
> > > chaser fill two small pairs, trips or inside straights to pip me to every
> > > (bar 3) pot i started favourite in. Tonite i didnt tilt, in fact i can
> > > honestly say i didnt do that much wrong - was tight, tight, tight.
> > >
> > > did it do me anygood......did it fuck!!!
> > >
> > > Ive been playing for 7 months, read all the relevant books, got wilson 7
> > > stud turbo, read through a lot of the posts in here, asked questions
etc.
> > > Going through my spreadsheets i can tell you that i have played 670 hours
> > > in this time and made a profit of $5112.54. That works out at $7.63 per
> > > hour - its been tough going to get it though - emotional rollercoaster,
> > > lots of ridiculously late nights....and even semi perminant pins and
> > > needles in my hand from leaning my head on it for hours on end.
> > >
> > > But i ask myself - was it worth it? No is the answer ive come up with.
I
> > > think i need to know that if i give that much of myself then there will
be
> > > something a little more concrete at the end of it.
> > >
> > > Thanks to all the poeple who have tried to dechipher my rantings in here
> > > and gave me sound advice back in return - especially Asha34(never could
> > > get a copy of the book) and Stephen Jacobs.
> > >
> > > Good luck guys......cos in the end you all need a bit of it!!
> > >
> > > Drexel
> >
> > Congratulations on your decision. There are more worthwhile and rewarding
> > things to do. There is one successful poker pro for every 40 million posts
> > on here. Amen.
> >
> > Floppy

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[Rich]

On 09 Aug 2003 09:45:15 GMT, "Drexel" <anonymous@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I beg to differ - my starting standards were SOLID.

There's a lot more to the game than starting standards.

> I dont know if i
>mentioned in first post but this time was taken over 2 days. On the
>second day i considered stopping, but honestly thought that i wasnt doing
>too much wrong. Information ive got from here and in poker books rubbish
>stop losses - stop when it hurts is what i follow.....when it really began
>to hurt i had very little left any way.

I think if you're down more than even 30 big bets it's time to take
stock and at least consider the possibilty you're in too deep. Maybe
the players are too good, your playing style doesn't fit well with the
type of game, or you're just not there mentally.

I can't imagine losing over 100 big bets in 4 hours and not at least
considering the possibility later that I might have been on tilt, even
if I didn't feel it at the time. If it was always so easy to recognize
being on tilt while you were playing then it wouldn't be such a big
issue. That's not how it works.

The amount you've lost is one of the bits of hard data that you have
to go on, and you lost a lot.


Rich

[Russ Georgiev]

elflake@end-war.com (E.L. Flake) wrote in message news:<feef57f7.0308082220.114e99d8@posting.google.com>...
> You were HARD on tilt....you lost $2100 in a 10-20 game. How about
> stopping at $600? Maybe you could average better than.4 big bets an
> hour if you stayed off tilt....


Everyday my swings are several thousand. If I quit everytime I was one
thousand loser, what is the point of playing to make money? You play
when your mood is right and you're not tired. Many days I get stuck 2
or 3 thousand before winning. I play a lot of short handed and big
swings are normal. Either you are able to win or you're not. All this
money management is a bunch of BS if you don't go on tilt and look at
this as a way to make money.

The concept is this. You play when your attitude is right and you're
not tired.

Russ Georgiev

[RGPScumFinder]

RussGeorgiev@aol.com (Russ Georgiev) wrote in message news:<8cdaff48.0308092221.766bd703@posting.google.com>...

>
> The concept is this. You play when your attitude is right and you're
> not tired.
>
> Russ Georgiev


Have you ever heard of the concept suicide? I thought this post was
about you killing yourself. Scum.

Found one.

[Irish Mike]

Drexel:

This is something I struggle with as well. You are getting out of poker
because you are losing money - or at least not making much money playing. I
don't have that problem. However, I have a different problem and that is
the loss of time. When I think of the thousands of hours I have spent
playing poker I wonder if it was worth it. I can't begin to count the
number of beautiful days I've spent sitting in some poker room. I've won a
lot of money playing poker but the fact is, I didn't need any of that money
to live. In addition, the same number of hours invested in some other
pursuit could have generated even more money. Poker can be as addictive as
any drug. I've seen it destroy marriages, bankrupt businesses and cause
parents to neglect their children - sometimes with tragic results. I know
several guys who are in prison because they stole money to fund their poker
habit. This is just from B&M games - no one knows the ultimate impact on
those caught up in on line gambling.

You are fortunate to be out of poker bucko. Find something more meaningful
to do with your time.

Best luck,

Irish Mike

"Floppy" <anonymous@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:3f34755d$0$15177$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> On Aug 8 2003 10:40PM, Drexel wrote:
>
> > Well thats it, the rollercoaster is finally over for me.
> >
> > After losing 2100 in my last 4 hours play at 10/20 where i watched every
> > chaser fill two small pairs, trips or inside straights to pip me to
every
> > (bar 3) pot i started favourite in. Tonite i didnt tilt, in fact i can
> > honestly say i didnt do that much wrong - was tight, tight, tight.
> >
> > did it do me anygood......did it fuck!!!
> >
> > Ive been playing for 7 months, read all the relevant books, got wilson 7
> > stud turbo, read through a lot of the posts in here, asked questions
etc.
> > Going through my spreadsheets i can tell you that i have played 670
hours
> > in this time and made a profit of $5112.54. That works out at $7.63 per
> > hour - its been tough going to get it though - emotional rollercoaster,
> > lots of ridiculously late nights....and even semi perminant pins and
> > needles in my hand from leaning my head on it for hours on end.
> >
> > But i ask myself - was it worth it? No is the answer ive come up with.
I
> > think i need to know that if i give that much of myself then there will
be
> > something a little more concrete at the end of it.
> >
> > Thanks to all the poeple who have tried to dechipher my rantings in here
> > and gave me sound advice back in return - especially Asha34(never could
> > get a copy of the book) and Stephen Jacobs.
> >
> > Good luck guys......cos in the end you all need a bit of it!!
> >
> > Drexel
>
> Congratulations on your decision. There are more worthwhile and rewarding
> things to do. There is one successful poker pro for every 40 million posts
> on here. Amen.
>
> Floppy
>
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>

[tompas]

I'm just wondering if other people out there have experienced this in poker (http://www.pacificpoker-online.com) too. Last night I saw "3" four-kinds at the table I was playing at in 1 hr ($25 Buy-In Pot Limit Hold'em). The odds of getting a 4-Kind are ~ 4100 to 1 and yet I see them all the time on PP. In the last week I was beaten by them twice with a boat (on the river ).

Moreso, I busted out tonight< $270 worth in 2.5 hrs playing only AA, AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, KJ, K10, JJ, K or A-high suited, a few small pocket pairs and a few suited connectors. I lost with flopping a set or trips 6 out of 5 times...and maybe all but once or twice I lost everytime I had big cards. The only time I limped in with big cards was AA heads up at a 4 person $50 NL table. The guy hit a pair of sevens and I moved all in...he called and tripped out. That was the last of my bankroll.

I noticed that for the first week that I was at Party Poker, I was winning like crazy and seldomly getting rivered. But in the last week every day was an uphill battle. I'd get big pocket pairs like Q's or K's and loose and maybe break even after 5hrs of play. Tonight was the worst...it was all downhill. I got tons of preflop hands listed above and raised preflop and never hit a flop....talk about bad beats. Anybody else have this type of experience???

[tompas]

Alright
I'm just wondering if other people out there have experienced this too. Last night I saw "3" four-kinds at the table I was playing at in 1 hr ($25 Buy-In Pot Limit Hold'em). The odds of getting a 4-Kind are ~ 4100 to 1 and yet I see them all the time on PP. In the last week I was beaten by them twice with a boat (on the river ).

Moreso, I busted out tonight< $270 worth in 2.5 hrs playing only AA, AK, AQ, AJ, A10, KQ, KJ, K10, JJ, K or A-high suited, a few small pocket pairs and a few suited connectors. I lost with flopping a set or trips 6 out of 5 times...and maybe all but once or twice I lost everytime I had big cards. The only time I limped in with big cards was AA heads up at a 4 person $50 NL table. The guy hit a pair of sevens and I moved all in...he called and tripped out. That was the last of my bankroll.

I noticed that for the first week that I was at Party Poker (http://www.pacificpoker-online.com), I was winning like crazy and seldomly getting rivered. But in the last week every day was an uphill battle. I'd get big pocket pairs like Q's or K's and loose and maybe break even after 5hrs of play. Tonight was the worst...it was all downhill. I got tons of preflop hands listed above and raised preflop and never hit a flop....talk about bad beats. Anybody else have this type of experience???

[tompas]

A young sexy blonde went to Las Vegas. She had been in the online casino (http://www.casinoonnet-online.com) for about an hour, and realized she was thirsty. So she went to the pop machine in the hall. She put $1.00 in an a Pepsi came out, she put another $1.00 in and another Pepsi came out, she put one last $1.00 in and another Pepsi came out.
A man saw her, and he said: "What are you doing?" And the sexy blonde said: "Duh!!
Winning!!!"