Re: Can Gays Play Poker

[NWBurbsCouple]

>
>Was he openly gay when he was playing?

No, he wasn't. Can't imagine why. Think it's because he knew he'd be the
subject of numerous bad jokes by homophobes who cared more about his sexual
orientation than his football playing ability?

[Lee Munzer]

"NWBurbsCouple" ...
> >
> >Was he openly gay when he was playing?
>
> No, he wasn't. Can't imagine why. Think it's because he knew he'd be the
> subject of numerous bad jokes by homophobes who cared more about his
sexual
> orientation than his football playing ability?

He came out after his career was over. He stated his main concerns were:
- He'd be cut
- He'd be deliberately injured by a gay hater

Actually, he went overboard to fake being straight -- going to strip joints
and leaving dance clubs with women when he went out with teammates. He even
slept with the women occasionally. The important thing for him was to be
seen with the woman (his words) "to throw the dogs off the scent".

Dave Kopay was the first -- a running back who stayed in the closet during
his 1964 to 1972 career.

Lee

[Linda K Sherman]

Edward Hutchison wrote:
> Whoa...wait a minute.
>
> Maybe there are two "Hooters," but the one I have known for nearly ten years
> has never--at least never in my presence--behaved in such a way as to call
> attention to his sexuality.

Jesus, Ed. If Hooter were any swishier he'd be a floor mop.

>
> The proof: I have no idea if he is homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, or
> asexual. I do know, though, that I have often heard him speak in very tender
> terms about his wife and children.

Uh, a lot of gay guys have or have had heterosexual relationships.

A lot of straight guys have had homosexual episodes at one time or
another in their lives.

Being gay or straight has very little to do with where you actually put
it.

Lin

[James L. Hankins]

"Linda K Sherman" <dimsbam@pwy.com> wrote in message
news:3F36F51A.2070807@pwy.com...



> Uh, a lot of gay guys have or have had heterosexual relationships.


This seems to be true.



> A lot of straight guys have had homosexual episodes at one time or
> another in their lives.



I'm skeptical of this. I'm straight and could never conceive of engaging in
a homosexual act; it's that alien to me. My own view is that if a man is
"curious" or wants to "experiment" then he's gay and needs to acknowledge
it.

[Harry Clyde]

As Andrew Dice Clay once said,

"Either you suck dick, or you do not suck dick."

[arlo payne]

Come on Gary please give us a list.
I am very interested in this one.

Sorry but it almost sounds like one of those ::: " if the man is not on
top speaches"
Waiting to read your list!



On Aug 10 2003 8:07PM, Gary Carson wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:48:57 GMT, "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@[NO
> >
> >I'm skeptical of this. I'm straight and could never conceive of
> engaging in
> >a homosexual act; it's that alien to me. My own view is that if a
> man is
> >"curious" or wants to "experiment" then he's gay and needs to
> acknowledge
> >it.
> >
>
> A lot of straight guys don't consider certian specific sex acts as
> gay behavior on their part.
>
> A lot of straight guys have engaged in homosexual sex acts and don't
> know it.
>
>
> Gary Carson
> gambling bestseller list
> http://garycarson.rediffblogs.com

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[Gary Carson]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:19:57 GMT, "Harry Clyde"
<harryclyde44@kein.spam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>As Andrew Dice Clay once said,
>
>"Either you suck dick, or you do not suck dick."
>

That's what I said. Lot's of people don't consider certain passive
acts (such as getting your dick sucked by a man) a homosexual act.
But, most homosexuals would certainly consider that a homosexual act.
And people who say a lot of hetorsexual men have engaged in homosexual
sex acts would consider that a homosexual sex act.





Gary Carson
gambling bestseller list
http://garycarson.rediffblogs.com

[Gary Carson]

A list of what? I list of homosexual cross-dressing street
prostitutes? Or a list of their customers?

I have no idea what "if the man is not on top speech" is.


On 11 Aug 2003 03:20:44 GMT, "arlo payne" <anonymous@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Come on Gary please give us a list.
>I am very interested in this one.
>
>Sorry but it almost sounds like one of those ::: " if the man is not
on
>top speaches"
>Waiting to read your list!
>
>
>


Gary Carson
gambling bestseller list
http://garycarson.rediffblogs.com

[arlo payne]

Gary:
You said
and I quote " A lot of straight guys have engaged in homosexual sex acts
and don't know it."

Please list these acts they engaged in which are homosexual sex acts but
they did not know it.

You said it now list it.

Thank you


On Aug 10 2003 1:45PM, Gary Carson wrote:

> A list of what? I list of homosexual cross-dressing street
> prostitutes? Or a list of their customers?
>
> I have no idea what "if the man is not on top speech" is.
>
>

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[Eric Lindholm]

> And people who say a lot of hetorsexual men have engaged in homosexual
> sex acts would consider that a homosexual sex act.

In the film "The Right Stuff," the prospective pilots have to give semen
samples. A few of them make their way into adjacent bathroom stalls in
order to, uh, secure their donations. Wasn't that a homosexual experience?
It was certainly a sexual experience shared with other men. If a typical
heterosexual man knew that a woman was masturbating in the stall next to
him, and he decided to join her, I bet he'd consider _that_ a sexual
experience. Why is it different if the other party is a man?

[Octo the Genarian]

"NWBurbsCouple" <nwburbscouple@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20030810180436.18739.00001135@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >
> >Was he openly gay when he was playing?
>
> No, he wasn't. Can't imagine why. Think it's because he knew he'd be the
> subject of numerous bad jokes by homophobes who cared more about his
sexual
> orientation than his football playing ability?


Get over yourself. Gary was clearly joking, caricaturing homophobic denial
rather than expressing it himself. You would have seen this were you not so
busy flaunting your liberal self-righteousness.

[Jeff Porten]

James L. Hankins wrote:

> I'm skeptical of this. I'm straight and could never conceive of engaging in
> a homosexual act; it's that alien to me. My own view is that if a man is
> "curious" or wants to "experiment" then he's gay and needs to acknowledge
> it.

I had a salad for dinner last night. I must be a vegetarian.

[Linda K Sherman]

James L. Hankins wrote:
> "Linda K Sherman" <dimsbam@pwy.com> wrote in message
> news:3F36F51A.2070807@pwy.com...
>
>
>
>
>>Uh, a lot of gay guys have or have had heterosexual relationships.
>
>
>
> This seems to be true.
>
>
>
>
>>A lot of straight guys have had homosexual episodes at one time or
>>another in their lives.
>
>
>
>
> I'm skeptical of this. I'm straight and could never conceive of engaging in
> a homosexual act; it's that alien to me. My own view is that if a man is
> "curious" or wants to "experiment" then he's gay and needs to acknowledge
> it.

It has nothing to do with curiosity or experimentation. It's about
what's available to horny heterosexual men in whom the normal levels of
self-control and inhibition either never developed or have broken down
for some reason, perhaps under the influence of an all-male group
dynamic where such behavior is tolerated or even encouraged.

In some cultures--for example, prison culture and 18th century British
naval shipboard culture, just to name two that should be obvious and
well-known--men who are by nature heterosexually oriented will resort to
homosexual contact because that's all that's available, or what's most
readily available, not out of preference or biologically-determined
orientation.

A lot of (but not all) incest, pedophilia, and bestiality arises from a
similar dynamic. The Roman Catholic Church will never get rid of
pedophilia among the priesthood until they accept this and stop equating
pedophilia with homosexuality. Kicking out all the queer priests won't
do a damned thing about opportunistic heterosexuals who victimize
children of either gender. If anything, queer priests are probably less
of a problem, because they can do it with other queer priests, fairly
safely and without fear of discovery, rather than kids. There's no such
outlet for straight priests.

The point is, having homosexual experiences or thoughts or curiosity
about it doesn't make you a homosexual male. It's a matter of what you
prefer. Heterosexual men need to get over the idea that wondering what
it would be like makes them queer. It doesn't.

Linda Sherman

[Peg Smith]

In article <3F3943AD.2070904@pwy.com>, Linda K Sherman <dimsbam@pwy.com>
writes:

> ...If anything, queer priests are probably less
>of a problem, because they can do it with other queer priests, fairly
>safely and without fear of discovery, rather than kids. There's no such
>outlet for straight priests.

Straight nuns?

BTW, Linda, considering how sensitive you usually are to political correctness,
I'm truly surprised to see you use the word "queer".

[Brian]

> It has nothing to do with curiosity or experimentation.

Huh? How do you know this? Are you the expert on straight men who have
engaged in homosexual activities?

I happen to know several otherwise straight men who have admitted to
sexual encounters with other men, and they all said that basically they
were curious and the opportunity presented itself. They weren't
desperate for sex in the slightest, they just felt ambitious and
open-minded. Nothing wrong with that, and it doesn't need justifying by
anyone here.

One of these days people will stop being so obsessed with who other
people are sleeping with and why, and just accept the fact that it's
the other person's choice, not theirs or anyone else's to make.

[FL Turbo]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:37:00 GMT, garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu
(Gary Carson) wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:19:57 GMT, "Harry Clyde"
><harryclyde44@kein.spam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>As Andrew Dice Clay once said,
>>
>>"Either you suck dick, or you do not suck dick."
>>
>
>That's what I said. Lot's of people don't consider certain passive
>acts (such as getting your dick sucked by a man) a homosexual act.
>But, most homosexuals would certainly consider that a homosexual act.
>And people who say a lot of hetorsexual men have engaged in homosexual
>sex acts would consider that a homosexual sex act.
>
And then there are sailors.

"A hole and a heartbeat"

"If it's aboard ship, it ain't queer"

[Augie Chiausa]

Anyone watch the PBS series on the Spartans? They were some tough fags.

[The Beet Man]

On 12 Aug 2003 21:21:09 GMT, pegsmithnow@aol.comnocrap (Peg Smith)
wrote:

>In article <3F3943AD.2070904@pwy.com>, Linda K Sherman <dimsbam@pwy.com>
>writes:
>
>> ...If anything, queer priests are probably less
>>of a problem, because they can do it with other queer priests, fairly
>>safely and without fear of discovery, rather than kids. There's no such
>>outlet for straight priests.
>
>Straight nuns?
>
>BTW, Linda, considering how sensitive you usually are to political correctness,
>I'm truly surprised to see you use the word "queer".

Queer, like dyke, is one of the derogatory words that has since been
"adopted" by gays.

[Linda K Sherman]

The Beet Man wrote:
> On 12 Aug 2003 21:21:09 GMT, pegsmithnow@aol.comnocrap (Peg Smith)
> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <3F3943AD.2070904@pwy.com>, Linda K Sherman <dimsbam@pwy.com>
>>writes:
>>
>>
>>>...If anything, queer priests are probably less
>>>of a problem, because they can do it with other queer priests, fairly
>>>safely and without fear of discovery, rather than kids. There's no such
>>>outlet for straight priests.
>>
>>Straight nuns?
>>
>>BTW, Linda, considering how sensitive you usually are to political correctness,
>>I'm truly surprised to see you use the word "queer".
>
>
> Queer, like dyke, is one of the derogatory words that has since been
> "adopted" by gays.
>

To Peg:

I don't consider myself "sensitive to political correctness." I just
think it's a highly reliable sign of stupidity, bad manners, and a poor
upbringing to call someone a name they find insulting, then to compound
the insult by taking the supremely arrogant, patronizing, and
condescending stand that you are somehow qualified to decide for other
people what they should or should not find offensive.

My twin sisters don't like being called "the twins" even though they
very obviously are twins. So I don't call them "the twins" (not when
they're in hearing distance, anyway), and I don't try to make the silly
argument that they shouldn't mind being called "the twins". There's a
perfectly valid reason why they don't like it, and anyone who is a twin
or has twins in the family would know what that reason is.

The same goes for any other label. There are reasons why the people on
whom the labels are pinned don't like them. Considerate, thoughtful
people try to understand what those reasons are or, failing that, at
least accept the possibility that valid reasons exist which they are not
aware of or don't fully comprehend.

Linda Sherman

[Quad Zilla]

"The Beet Man" <beetman@splot.org> wrote in message
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> On 12 Aug 2003 21:21:09 GMT, pegsmithnow@aol.comnocrap (Peg Smith)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <3F3943AD.2070904@pwy.com>, Linda K Sherman <dimsbam@pwy.com>
> >writes:
> >
> >> ...If anything, queer priests are probably less
> >>of a problem, because they can do it with other queer priests, fairly
> >>safely and without fear of discovery, rather than kids. There's no such
> >>outlet for straight priests.


WTF?!

Let's get something straight here. People who go after children are not
normal.
This has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Children are not some sort
of
appealing outlet for frustrated heterosexual men. They resort to
masturbation,
porn, and prostitution. I am sure priests can (and do) manage to utilize
these
outlets in secret. Normal men, both straight and gay, are not interested in
children
of either sex.

People who go after children are sick. They were probably abused as
childern
They should be treated. If they cannot be treated,.they should be
segregated
from society or simply shot in the head.

It is even possible that some men enter the priesthood precisely because
they
know that such a profession will offer them a better environment for their
perversion. The protectionism of the catholic church is more sick than
the actions of the priests. At least the priests are probably just reacting
to
their own victimization. The church has no such excuse.

Jim Morgan

[tompas]

well i guess it wont be a problem even that i will prefer to play poker (http://www.pacificpoker-online.com) with a gay women if you know what i mean!!!!!