GCA "The Movie, THE STING"

[Newgca]

To those who remember the movie, "The Sting", starring Paul Newman, Robert
Redford and Robert Shaw, there is a very good poker scene played on a train.

Here was an example of Cheat vs Cheat, with the best cheat coming out on top.
If you remember, Robert Shaw sets up Paul newman to be cheated, by slipping in
a cold deck. But Paul Newman was aware this was going to happen and thus
brought his own hand into play, ruining the cold deck and winning the money.

Remember what Robert Shaw told one of his guys, it went something like this,
"what was I going to do, accuse him of cheating better than me?"

The fact remains, Shaw knew Newman cheated and Newman knew Shaw cheated. End
result, best cheat won.

Many of you may wonder where this is leading, well the answer is simple,
POKERSTARS. I played honestly on Pokerstars for a month while bringing in new
players and accounts. During this time I won quite a bit on my first two days
and saw an unlimited potential to cheat these PL games, as well as the higher
stakes games. I had and still have about 10 accounts on Pokerstars.

After building myself in with numerous alias's, I proceeded to attack the
games, with 4 players in each game. In PLO, I was able to see 16 cards from my
computers, lead people into traps that contained the nuts and was able to know
many times, what hands were possible or not.

The same applied to Holdem, where I could easily force players into the nuts or
AA with a small bet from another of my players. I would have other players on
the waiting list, (myself) and would move players in and out, the same way I
did in casinos for decades.

Here is where the problem came in. If I had done this in a B&M casino, against
ANY COMPETITION, I would have averaged $100's an hour playing with 4 people. At
Stars, with poor competition, I was barely able to make minimum wage.

The old saying goes, "if your cheating and not winning, they're cheating better
than you". Today I played 3 sit and goes on Stars. I won all of them.

Pokerstars is a CROOKED SITE, the fact they promoted Russ Boyd tells you the
character of the management. If you can't beat a game playing 4 computers right
in front of you, with four players, something is wrong. I know it isn't my
ability. I have hand histories of impossible calls for serious money. I have
the results of those calls also.

If the management is not involved, the site is being hacked into. Let's just
say this, there is only one way to stop me from cheating and winning very big
online. Cheating better than I can.

Russ Georgiev

[RHubb13834]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling...........

[Alan Mudd]

so when you played as one player, without cheating, you won - and won
comfortably.

Yet when you sit 4 players at a table and cheat you were winning but
substantially less than when you were playing honestly?

That really doesn't add up.

[Newgca]

>Yet when you sit 4 players at a table and cheat you were winning but
>substantially less than when you were playing honestly?
>
>That really doesn't add up.

What I said is I won big the first two days, threaded water (basically broke
even) for the next month and when I attacked in force, I could barely win more
than minimum wage. Minimum wage is still about $30 an hour considering 4
people.

You are right, it doesn't add up. Please tell me what's wrong?

Russ Georgiev

[Augie Chiausa]

"Newgca" <newgca@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030828115457.07530.00000073@mb-m17.aol.com...
> >Yet when you sit 4 players at a table and cheat you were winning but
> >substantially less than when you were playing honestly?
> >
> >That really doesn't add up.
>
> What I said is I won big the first two days, threaded water (basically
broke
> even) for the next month and when I attacked in force, I could barely win
more
> than minimum wage. Minimum wage is still about $30 an hour considering 4
> people.
>
> You are right, it doesn't add up. Please tell me what's wrong?
>
> Russ Georgiev

Geez Russ, how would I know what the standard deviation is for a lying,
cocksucking, cheat.

[Wes]

Maybe it's due to the fact that you are an idiot.

On 28 Aug 2003 07:21:14 GMT, newgca@aol.com (Newgca) wrote:

>To those who remember the movie, "The Sting", starring Paul Newman, Robert
>Redford and Robert Shaw, there is a very good poker scene played on a train.
>
>Here was an example of Cheat vs Cheat, with the best cheat coming out on top.
>If you remember, Robert Shaw sets up Paul newman to be cheated, by slipping in
>a cold deck. But Paul Newman was aware this was going to happen and thus
>brought his own hand into play, ruining the cold deck and winning the money.
>
>Remember what Robert Shaw told one of his guys, it went something like this,
>"what was I going to do, accuse him of cheating better than me?"
>
>The fact remains, Shaw knew Newman cheated and Newman knew Shaw cheated. End
>result, best cheat won.
>
>Many of you may wonder where this is leading, well the answer is simple,
>POKERSTARS. I played honestly on Pokerstars for a month while bringing in new
>players and accounts. During this time I won quite a bit on my first two days
>and saw an unlimited potential to cheat these PL games, as well as the higher
>stakes games. I had and still have about 10 accounts on Pokerstars.
>
>After building myself in with numerous alias's, I proceeded to attack the
>games, with 4 players in each game. In PLO, I was able to see 16 cards from my
>computers, lead people into traps that contained the nuts and was able to know
>many times, what hands were possible or not.
>
>The same applied to Holdem, where I could easily force players into the nuts or
>AA with a small bet from another of my players. I would have other players on
>the waiting list, (myself) and would move players in and out, the same way I
>did in casinos for decades.
>
>Here is where the problem came in. If I had done this in a B&M casino, against
>ANY COMPETITION, I would have averaged $100's an hour playing with 4 people. At
>Stars, with poor competition, I was barely able to make minimum wage.
>
>The old saying goes, "if your cheating and not winning, they're cheating better
>than you". Today I played 3 sit and goes on Stars. I won all of them.
>
>Pokerstars is a CROOKED SITE, the fact they promoted Russ Boyd tells you the
>character of the management. If you can't beat a game playing 4 computers right
>in front of you, with four players, something is wrong. I know it isn't my
>ability. I have hand histories of impossible calls for serious money. I have
>the results of those calls also.
>
>If the management is not involved, the site is being hacked into. Let's just
>say this, there is only one way to stop me from cheating and winning very big
>online. Cheating better than I can.
>
>Russ Georgiev

[Larry W.]

On 28 Aug 2003 07:21:14 GMT, newgca@aol.com (Newgca) wrote:

> I had and still have about 10 accounts on Pokerstars.
>
>After building myself in with numerous alias's, I proceeded to attack the
>games, with 4 players in each game. In PLO, I was able to see 16 cards from my
>computers, lead people into traps that contained the nuts and was able to know
>many times, what hands were possible or not.
>
>The same applied to Holdem, where I could easily force players into the nuts or
>AA with a small bet from another of my players. I would have other players on
>the waiting list, (myself) and would move players in and out, the same way I
>did in casinos for decades.


Hey, Russ- didn't you recently make a post saying you had quit
cheating online? Call me old-fashioned, but the above sounds a lot
like cheating.

Sincerely,
The Shadow

[Grant Peacock]

newgca@aol.com (Newgca) wrote in message news:<20030828032114.24569.00000080@mb-m16.aol.com>...
> To those who remember the movie, "The Sting", starring Paul Newman, Robert
> Redford and Robert Shaw, there is a very good poker scene played on a train.
>
> Here was an example of Cheat vs Cheat, with the best cheat coming out on top.
> If you remember, Robert Shaw sets up Paul newman to be cheated, by slipping in
> a cold deck. But Paul Newman was aware this was going to happen and thus
> brought his own hand into play, ruining the cold deck and winning the money.
>
> Remember what Robert Shaw told one of his guys, it went something like this,
> "what was I going to do, accuse him of cheating better than me?"

I know it was just a movie, but.....

If I recall correctly, Shaw dealt himself JJJJ, and Newman countered
by pulling QQQQ out of his pocket. Couldn't Shaw, at this point,
inspect the deck and notice that there are too many queens?

[Rich]

On Aug 28 2003 9:03AM, Augie Chiausa wrote:

> Geez Russ, how would I know what the standard deviation is for a lying,
> cocksucking, cheat.

Standard deviation? Russ is a poker master, he doesn't have time to think
about shit like that.


Rich

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[Larry W.]

On 28 Aug 2003 23anonymous wrote:


>> Hey, Russ- didn't you recently make a post saying you had quit
>> cheating online? Call me old-fashioned, but the above sounds a lot
>> like cheating.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Shadow
>
>He did not cheat. It is not cheating if everyone else is cheating as well.

It's not cheating if everyone else is cheating? Then the rest
of them aren't really cheating either. You can't really accuse them
of cheating if Russ is trying to cheat them. Therefore, what we have
here, ladies and gents, is an honest game.

>How do we know everybody else was cheating? Because Russ only made minimum
>wage.

Are you familiar with the phrase, "Russ has had certain
truthfulness issues which have occurred involving him over the past
years"?

>We all know--

We "all" know? Are you speaking for all RGP'ers here, or for
everyone on earth?

>--that only cheating can stop Russ from winning big. Ipso
>facto, everybody else must have been cheating.

Ipso facto, believing what Russ writes without a jaundiced,
skeptical eye is a recipe for what used to be called, during the
Pleistheleyne Era, Gullilbulus Swallowus El Toto Mundus Biggus.


Sincerely,
The Shadow

[BillMM]

Your sarcasm detector broke again, Wayno?

On Aug 28 2003 5:48PM, Larry W. (Wayno wrote:

> On 28 Aug 2003 23anonymous wrote:
>
>
> >> Hey, Russ- didn't you recently make a post saying you had quit
> >> cheating online? Call me old-fashioned, but the above sounds a lot
> >> like cheating.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> The Shadow
> >
> >He did not cheat. It is not cheating if everyone else is cheating as well.
>
> It's not cheating if everyone else is cheating? Then the rest
> of them aren't really cheating either. You can't really accuse them
> of cheating if Russ is trying to cheat them. Therefore, what we have
> here, ladies and gents, is an honest game.
>
> >How do we know everybody else was cheating? Because Russ only made minimum
> >wage.
>
> Are you familiar with the phrase, "Russ has had certain
> truthfulness issues which have occurred involving him over the past
> years"?
>
> >We all know--
>
> We "all" know? Are you speaking for all RGP'ers here, or for
> everyone on earth?
>
> >--that only cheating can stop Russ from winning big. Ipso
> >facto, everybody else must have been cheating.
>
> Ipso facto, believing what Russ writes without a jaundiced,
> skeptical eye is a recipe for what used to be called, during the
> Pleistheleyne Era, Gullilbulus Swallowus El Toto Mundus Biggus.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Shadow

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[Larry W.]

On 29 Aug 2003 00:08:38 GMT, "BillMM" wrote:

>Your sarcasm detector broke again, Wayno?

It's broke.
>
>On Aug 28 2003 5:48PM, Larry W. (Wayno wrote:
>
>> On 28 Aug 2003 23anonymous wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> Hey, Russ- didn't you recently make a post saying you had quit
>> >> cheating online? Call me old-fashioned, but the above sounds a lot
>> >> like cheating.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> The Shadow
>> >
>> >He did not cheat. It is not cheating if everyone else is cheating as well.
>>
>> It's not cheating if everyone else is cheating? Then the rest
>> of them aren't really cheating either. You can't really accuse them
>> of cheating if Russ is trying to cheat them. Therefore, what we have
>> here, ladies and gents, is an honest game.
>>
>> >How do we know everybody else was cheating? Because Russ only made minimum
>> >wage.
>>
>> Are you familiar with the phrase, "Russ has had certain
>> truthfulness issues which have occurred involving him over the past
>> years"?
>>
>> >We all know--
>>
>> We "all" know? Are you speaking for all RGP'ers here, or for
>> everyone on earth?
>>
>> >--that only cheating can stop Russ from winning big. Ipso
>> >facto, everybody else must have been cheating.
>>
>> Ipso facto, believing what Russ writes without a jaundiced,
>> skeptical eye is a recipe for what used to be called, during the
>> Pleistheleyne Era, Gullilbulus Swallowus El Toto Mundus Biggus.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Shadow
>
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>
>

[PBae]

As I recall, having watched the movie about a month ago, it was quads of
3's, 9's, and Jacks. They also made raises that were lower than the amount
of the last raise, and they were able to buy in for more chips in the middle
of the hand. They also referred to draw poker as straight poker. Shows you
how times have changed.

-PB


"wamplerr" <wamplerr@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3f4e784a$0$62078$75868355@news.frii.net...
> "I know it was just a movie, but.....
>
> If I recall correctly, Shaw dealt himself JJJJ, and Newman countered by
> pulling QQQQ out of his pocket. Couldn't Shaw, at this point, inspect
> the deck and notice that there are too many queens?"
>
> Before the game, an old dude (You see him in a lot of old stuff, Dragnet
> for example) gives Newman a replica deck that they used in the big game,
> and told him that the cheat liked to cold deck with "9's or 10's." So
> they play, Newman wins a lot against the fish in the game, not sure
> whether it's straight up or not. It gets heads up with the cheat, both
> have big stacks. You see Newman's hand, four 4's. He gets in a raising
> war. The cheat bets real big, and Newman just calls. Cheat says "Four
> 9's", and Newman laughs and rolls over 4 Jacks.
>
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[James L. Hankins]

"Alan Mudd" <alancdmudd@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> so when you played as one player, without cheating, you won - and won
> comfortably.
>
> Yet when you sit 4 players at a table and cheat you were winning but
> substantially less than when you were playing honestly?
>
> That really doesn't add up.


Uh, yeah. I think that's the point he is trying to make.

[Andy Fox]

The scene in "The Sting" was great, one of my alltime favorites.

But Shaw could indeed have accused Newman of being a cheat.

Shaw's cheating was using the 52 cards in the deck, giving Newman a
big hand, but giving himself a better one.

Newman knew that Shaw was setting him up and took cards from somewhere
else, presumably on his person, to give himself a better hand. So
Shaw could have had the deck checked and shown that Newman was a
cheater. Whereas Newman had no way of showing Shaw was cheating.

A wonderful scene nonetheless.

[Larry W.]

On 28 Aug 2003 (Andy Fox) wrote:

>The scene in "The Sting" was great, one of my alltime favorites.
>
>But Shaw could indeed have accused Newman of being a cheat.
>
>Shaw's cheating was using the 52 cards in the deck, giving Newman a
>big hand, but giving himself a better one.
>
>Newman knew that Shaw was setting him up and took cards from somewhere
>else, presumably on his person, to give himself a better hand. So
>Shaw could have had the deck checked and shown that Newman was a
>cheater. Whereas Newman had no way of showing Shaw was cheating.
>
>A wonderful scene nonetheless.


"Four Jacks. You owe me fifteen grand, pal."
Henry Gondorff


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I know it's late, I know you're weary
I know your plans don't include me
Still here we are, both of us lonely
Longing for shelter from all that we see
Why should we worry
No one will care girl
Look at the stars so far away

We've got tonight who needs tomorrow
We've got tonight babe
Why don't you stay?

[Christmas Ape]

But Newman could have claimed that *someone* brought extra cards, but it
wasn't he. His position would have been weakened by the fact that he won,
but...
"Andy Fox" <andy@frenchcraft.com> wrote in message
news:6644859b.0308282009.652415cc@posting.google.com...
> The scene in "The Sting" was great, one of my alltime favorites.
>
> But Shaw could indeed have accused Newman of being a cheat.
>
> Shaw's cheating was using the 52 cards in the deck, giving Newman a
> big hand, but giving himself a better one.
>
> Newman knew that Shaw was setting him up and took cards from somewhere
> else, presumably on his person, to give himself a better hand. So
> Shaw could have had the deck checked and shown that Newman was a
> cheater. Whereas Newman had no way of showing Shaw was cheating.
>
> A wonderful scene nonetheless.

[Newgca]

> Hey, Russ- didn't you recently make a post saying you had quit
>cheating online? Call me old-fashioned, but the above sounds a lot
>like cheating.
>
> Sincerely,
> The Shadow

I said I stopped and I did. I already made the tape previously. I still play on
Stars, but do it in areas that are harder to be cheated in. I'm not saying the
site is crooked, just the people who run it or work it.

Russ Georgiev

[Newgca]

>If I recall correctly, Shaw dealt himself JJJJ, and Newman countered
>by pulling QQQQ out of his pocket. Couldn't Shaw, at this point,
>inspect the deck and notice that there are too many queens?

Wouldn't that indicate he knew something? Would you like to accuse someone of
cheating, when you are cheating yourself? Think about what the best course
would be?

[Andy Fox]

"Christmas Ape" <asdf@kajlfdsa.com> wrote in message news:<QHL3b.296958$YN5.206297@sccrnsc01>...
> But Newman could have claimed that *someone* brought extra cards, but it
> wasn't he. His position would have been weakened by the fact that he won,
> but...

Weakened indeed. Check the deck and find four more jacks? Hmm. . .