Re: reverse string bet?

[Kkiely]

i wasn't asking why they do it, i'm asking why other people don't complain - or
why there isn't a rule about it.

[saphhous]

well, if that's the case, why don't people complain about bluffing in
general and why isn't there a rule about that?

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[Pete]

Some casinos have a white ring around the inside of the table, if the chip
goes over the line it is a bet. The very first time I ever played in a
casino was Harrah's in LV they had this rule and they applied it to a guy
who took chips in hand reached over the line and then tapped the table to
check. They made him leave the chips (he only had enough to call in his
hand). I would love to see this rule in every place I play.

[Paul Phillips]

In article <20030828181504.08154.00000097@mb-m14.aol.com>,
Kkiely <kkiely@aol.comnojunk> wrote:
>i wasn't asking why they do it, i'm asking why other people don't complain - or
>why there isn't a rule about it.

There is a rule about it -- the forward motion rule. And by rule they
are bound to bet all the chips in their hand. HOWEVER, this is famously
inconsistently ruled on, and certainly the dealer will almost never call
someone out on it, so you as a player have to ask for a floor ruling.
Most of the time the floor will just warn the player rather than making
them leave the chips in the middle, but if you are persistent you might
be able to get the player to stop or get them ruled against.

For hilarious fireworks, call the forward motion rule on someone when
you're not even involved in the hand, and watch as everyone gives away
tells about how they want the floor to rule. Hijinix abound, especially
if the floor rules it has to stay and now you've forced some poor (and
now angry) sap to fold his flush draw.

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[Paul Adams]

This was my first experience, and it's great. Every table should hae the
white ring. And the house she be consistent in enforcing the rules.
People get away with it because the other players don't want to be the
"bad sport" who calls someone on a supposed "technicality." But the
players shouldn't have to... it's the dealer's job.

I hate it when one player at the table makes a very reasonble request that
someone comply with a rule... such as playing with an active stack of
chips on the table, instead of pulling chips out of the rack for every bet
(in Atlantic City you can have racked chips on the table as long as you've
got stack out to speed up the game)... and then the person who's been
asked to comply acts mortally wounded, and gripes and complains, and makes
a fuss, and insults the "stickler," tries to explain why the rule doesn't
make any sense... and the dealer just leaves it to the players to sort it
out.

The dealer needs to be the "bad guy" sometimes and enforce the rules.
Tell a player to get an active stack of chips on the table or else just
leave the game. And don't let anyone string raise, and don't let anyone
"reverse string bet," or "check" with a huge stack of chips in their hand.
Rules are great, unless they are selectively enforced, or the players are
expected to regulate themselves. Invariably the good sports play by the
rules and the bad sports break the rules and complain when they're called
on it.

On Aug 28 2003 11:45AM, Pete wrote:

> Some casinos have a white ring around the inside of the table, if the chip
> goes over the line it is a bet. The very first time I ever played in a
> casino was Harrah's in LV they had this rule and they applied it to a guy
> who took chips in hand reached over the line and then tapped the table to
> check. They made him leave the chips (he only had enough to call in his
> hand). I would love to see this rule in every place I play.

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[Gary Carson]

On 28 Aug 2003 22:15:04 GMT, kkiely@aol.comnojunk (Kkiely) wrote:

>i wasn't asking why they do it, i'm asking why other people don't
complain - or
>why there isn't a rule about it.


In some places there is a rule against it.

Artichoke Joe's used use a betting circle. Every chip that crossed
the line was a bet.

Of course people still shot angles by stacking up chips right on the
edge of the line then either checking or throwing a chip or two in
after they saw your reaction.

[Randy Hudson]

In article <20030828181504.08154.00000097@mb-m14.aol.com>,
Kkiely <kkiely@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

> i wasn't asking why they do it, i'm asking why other people don't complain
> - or why there isn't a rule about it.

A string bet is problematic because players yet to act don't have a clear
signal as to when the stringing player is done acting. So there's a rule
that if he acts in a way that can reasonably be construed as a call, he's
called. What actions are necessary varies from cardroom to cardroom, but
the key is that there's a definite signal that he's done acting.

The reverse-string action also has a signal built in, whether it's "forward
motion" or "releasing enough chips for a raise". The only way that this
differs from the string raise rule is that it doesn't have a special name.
If a player pushes forward a full stack, releases it, then reaches out with
his other hand and takes chips off it to change it from a raising stack to a
calling stack, the dealer isn't going to say, "reverse string"; she's just
going to say "raise," and then something like, "Sir, those chips are in the
pot" if the reverse stringer doesn't immediately correct the problem.

--
Randy Hudson

[Cadillac_Jones]

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:50:51 GMT, Paul Phillips <rgp-10@improving.org>
wrote:

>In article <20030828181504.08154.00000097@mb-m14.aol.com>,
>Kkiely <kkiely@aol.comnojunk> wrote:
>>i wasn't asking why they do it, i'm asking why other people don't complain - or
>>why there isn't a rule about it.
>
>There is a rule about it -- the forward motion rule. And by rule they
>are bound to bet all the chips in their hand. HOWEVER, this is famously
>inconsistently ruled on, and certainly the dealer will almost never call
>someone out on it, so you as a player have to ask for a floor ruling.
>Most of the time the floor will just warn the player rather than making
>them leave the chips in the middle, but if you are persistent you might
>be able to get the player to stop or get them ruled against.
>

I raise with a stack of chips that are obviously too big for the bet
occasionally because I don't want to inadvertently screw up and not
raise with enough chips and have someone call a string bet.

I'm not trying to angle play although I will admit a re-raise with a
overwhelming stack of chips in a ring game does tend to slow opponents
down.



"I'm the luckiest man in the world. I have a cigarette
lighter and a wife...and they both work!"

[Scott Seidman]

Cadillac_Jones <d@D.com> wrote in news:8rjukvsebbp8reqtkcu0425d9vctk25kb5@
4ax.com:

> I raise with a stack of chips that are obviously too big for the bet
> occasionally because I don't want to inadvertently screw up and not
> raise with enough chips and have someone call a string bet.
>
> I'm not trying to angle play although I will admit a re-raise with a
> overwhelming stack of chips in a ring game does tend to slow opponents
> down.
>
>

What's wrong with saying "Call", "Raise", or "Fold", doing your best to put
the right amount of money out, and letting the dealer correct you if
necessary?

[RTN4]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:44:34 GMT, garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu
(Gary Carson) wrote:

>Why not? That never happened in any game I was playing in.

It happened all the time. Of course if I crossed the line then it was
a bet. But if a regular went across the line (but didn't mean it)
then they just overlooked it.

[fREBie]

"saphhous" <anonymous@bu.edu> wrote in message news:<3f4e8337$0$23241$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> well, if that's the case, why don't people complain about bluffing in
> general and why isn't there a rule about that?
>
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You aren't seriously comparing bluffing to string/reverse string betting are you?