Call all-in with flush draw?

[rimbaud]

Down to two in a small tournament. Blinds are 50/100, but there are
only $6k in chips total. You have 4220 in chips v. 1780. You check in
the BB with K5d. Opponent checks. Flop comes 78T with two diamonds.
Opponent moves all-in, presumably with a made straight. Odds of making
your flush by the river are a little better than 2-1. If you make it,
you win the tournament. If you don't, you're short-stacked but still
in there. Do you call? I did, and lost the pot, but I still think it
was the correct call. Thoughts?

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I believe I would too, just depends on the hands before and how it has been
going up to that point. It's just a judgement call in my opinion.
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[Jason Root]

depends on the opponent... if he's a strong player I probably take the
chance and call it. But if he's a weak player.. save your chips for a
better hand.
I came back from an 8800 chip deficit the other day because the other guy
was such a weak player he had no shot.


On Sep 19 2003 10:49AM, rimbaud wrote:

> Down to two in a small tournament. Blinds are 50/100, but there are
> only $6k in chips total. You have 4220 in chips v. 1780. You check in
> the BB with K5d. Opponent checks. Flop comes 78T with two diamonds.
> Opponent moves all-in, presumably with a made straight. Odds of making
> your flush by the river are a little better than 2-1. If you make it,
> you win the tournament. If you don't, you're short-stacked but still
> in there. Do you call? I did, and lost the pot, but I still think it
> was the correct call. Thoughts?

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[Gregory Raymer]

If you're actually sure he has a made straight, then calling here is a
terrible mistake.

If it's a LOT more likely he has one pair and/or a straight draw, then
you've got probably 12 outs twice, which makes you almost even with a pair,
and if you're going to be the significant favorite against a hand like Q9 a
significant portion of the time, then calling isn't a mistake.

Most of the time, you fold here. Somebody who's willing to check preflop
and then bet 1700 or so into a 200 pot has got to be pretty beatable just by
being patient.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

"rimbaud" <jacobthemonster@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:885e58fb.0309190749.1acf3fd0@posting.google.com...
> Down to two in a small tournament. Blinds are 50/100, but there are
> only $6k in chips total. You have 4220 in chips v. 1780. You check in
> the BB with K5d. Opponent checks. Flop comes 78T with two diamonds.
> Opponent moves all-in, presumably with a made straight. Odds of making
> your flush by the river are a little better than 2-1. If you make it,
> you win the tournament. If you don't, you're short-stacked but still
> in there. Do you call? I did, and lost the pot, but I still think it
> was the correct call. Thoughts?

[Lucas Ford]

jacobthemonster@yahoo.com (rimbaud) wrote in message news:<885e58fb.0309190749.1acf3fd0@posting.google.com>...
> Down to two in a small tournament. Blinds are 50/100, but there are
> only $6k in chips total. You have 4220 in chips v. 1780. You check in
> the BB with K5d. Opponent checks. Flop comes 78T with two diamonds.
> Opponent moves all-in, presumably with a made straight.

Why am I presuming that? Is it because I've played with this guy
before? If I presume a made straight I fold here, no reason to gamble
at this point. I got a free look from the BB but have no reason to
draw aginst a made hand.

On the other hand, maybe I know this guy to be a loose maniac who
pushes his chips in all the time. Maybe he's just won five
consecutive pots by going all-in on the flop and I think I may have he
best hand, even if I don't catch the third diamond. I can think of a
few situations I would call this but none of them if I presume a made
straight.


>Odds of making your flush by the river are a little better than 2-1.
If you >make it,
> you win the tournament. If you don't, you're short-stacked but still
> in there. Do you call? I did, and lost the pot, but I still think it
> was the correct call. Thoughts?

[rimbaud]

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> BTW, did he have the str8?

Yup. I ended up loosing the tournament, too. After reading the other
responses here it's clear that I should have folded and taken him down
when I had the best of it.

[Sheridan Halls]

If he has a straight then the odds of you beating him are about the
same as you beating his AK with your 72.
There is no point in taking these odds, if you want these odds you can
have them pretty much every hand (unless he has an overpair).
It is a MUCH better idea to just push all in preflop EVERY SINGLE
HAND, than to call here.

I dont think I would call here even if I thought he had a pair, unless
he was outplaying me, then I would.



lucasford_@hotmail.com (Lucas Ford) wrote in message news:<8763a4af.0309191541.1260a2d8@posting.google.com>...
> jacobthemonster@yahoo.com (rimbaud) wrote in message news:<885e58fb.0309190749.1acf3fd0@posting.google.com>...
> > Down to two in a small tournament. Blinds are 50/100, but there are
> > only $6k in chips total. You have 4220 in chips v. 1780. You check in
> > the BB with K5d. Opponent checks. Flop comes 78T with two diamonds.
> > Opponent moves all-in, presumably with a made straight.
>
> Why am I presuming that? Is it because I've played with this guy
> before? If I presume a made straight I fold here, no reason to gamble
> at this point. I got a free look from the BB but have no reason to
> draw aginst a made hand.
>
> On the other hand, maybe I know this guy to be a loose maniac who
> pushes his chips in all the time. Maybe he's just won five
> consecutive pots by going all-in on the flop and I think I may have he
> best hand, even if I don't catch the third diamond. I can think of a
> few situations I would call this but none of them if I presume a made
> straight.
>
>
> >Odds of making your flush by the river are a little better than 2-1.
> If you >make it,
> > you win the tournament. If you don't, you're short-stacked but still
> > in there. Do you call? I did, and lost the pot, but I still think it
> > was the correct call. Thoughts?