The Russ G Imposters are also crap flooding RGP and should stop.

[TD Lowball]

Howdy.

The Russ G Imposters are also crap flooding RGP with off topic crap. In
addition they are also generating a cascade problem, from off topic
replies to their trolling. None of their posts further the aims of the
RGP Charter, which is to create a newsgroup for the discussion of poker.

All this trolling is creating a bad precident, and further lowering the
S/N ratio. The #2 killer of newsgroups is endless trolling, which
intrisicly generates loads of off topic messages that flood out good
messages. Years ago the newsgroup alt.animals.dlphins came under
anorganized trolling attack that nearly distroyed the NG

Also alot of the imposter's posted a lot of mean spirited stuff, which is
IMHO not nice and is especially off topic. One of the unstated norms of
RGP is that, discussions should be civil and "nice." Russ G violated that
norm several times. But it's not helpful when other people violate that
norm too.

At least Russ G posted about poker.

If you want to troll, go to http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com . Which is a web
board devoted to trolling and off topic discussions. It's been years since
the official topic of "troubled companies" has been discussed.

Just like Russ G, the imposters are today boring, stale and old hat.

An especially thumb's down for the imposters who are using Russ G's real
moniker's and email in their fake posts. That is just bad usenet
ettiquette.

Also a thumb's down for live action poker for providing an anonymous
gateway to RGP, that lets people post/forge posts/troll without having to
make the time investment ofsetting up an account.

TD Lowball --

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[Steven Stapleton]

"TD Lowball" <anonymous@yahoo.com> wrote

> All this trolling is creating a bad precident, and further lowering the
> S/N ratio. The #2 killer of newsgroups is endless trolling, which
> intrisicly generates loads of off topic messages that flood out good
> messages. Years ago the newsgroup alt.animals.dlphins came under
> anorganized trolling attack that nearly distroyed the NG

IMHO Russ is guilty of newsgroup/slaughter. His weapon is the number
one killer - spamming to further agendas which is intrinsically
damaging, improper etiquette and sets a bad precedent. The facts that
this newsgroup is big and strong and he ruined his credibility
prevented him from destroying it.

> Also alot of the imposter's posted a lot of mean spirited stuff, which is
> IMHO not nice and is especially off topic.

The imposters posts are humorous. Which three or four mean spirited
posts are you referring to?

> Just like Russ G, the imposters are today boring, stale and old hat.

The imposters are new, post a few each day and will tire or run out of
material because they are creative and not egomaniacs so they won't
repost like Russ when they go blank. Russ is tedious, stale and very
much old hat.

> An especially thumb's down for the imposters who are using Russ G's real
> moniker's and email in their fake posts. That is just bad usenet
> ettiquette.

Thumbs down to Russ and his monikers.

[James Kay]

Yeah, it just about destroyed my will to live when those trolls almost
took down alt.animals.dlphns.


"TD Lowball" <anonymous@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3f72c287$0$82072$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> Howdy.
>
> The Russ G Imposters are also crap flooding RGP with off topic crap. In
> addition they are also generating a cascade problem, from off topic
> replies to their trolling. None of their posts further the aims of the
> RGP Charter, which is to create a newsgroup for the discussion of poker.
>
> All this trolling is creating a bad precident, and further lowering the
> S/N ratio. The #2 killer of newsgroups is endless trolling, which
> intrisicly generates loads of off topic messages that flood out good
> messages. Years ago the newsgroup alt.animals.dlphins came under
> anorganized trolling attack that nearly distroyed the NG
>
> Also alot of the imposter's posted a lot of mean spirited stuff, which is
> IMHO not nice and is especially off topic. One of the unstated norms of
> RGP is that, discussions should be civil and "nice." Russ G violated that
> norm several times. But it's not helpful when other people violate that
> norm too.
>
> At least Russ G posted about poker.
>
> If you want to troll, go to http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com . Which is a web
> board devoted to trolling and off topic discussions. It's been years since
> the official topic of "troubled companies" has been discussed.
>
> Just like Russ G, the imposters are today boring, stale and old hat.
>
> An especially thumb's down for the imposters who are using Russ G's real
> moniker's and email in their fake posts. That is just bad usenet
> ettiquette.
>
> Also a thumb's down for live action poker for providing an anonymous
> gateway to RGP, that lets people post/forge posts/troll without having to
> make the time investment ofsetting up an account.
>
> TD Lowball --
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com

[Rzitup]

I hope that 10 more imposters appear today. Russ ruined this newsgroup a
long time ago. The only thing worth reading anymore are the trolls.

"TD Lowball" <anonymous@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3f72c287$0$82072$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> Howdy.
>
> The Russ G Imposters are also crap flooding RGP with off topic crap. In
> addition they are also generating a cascade problem, from off topic
> replies to their trolling. None of their posts further the aims of the
> RGP Charter, which is to create a newsgroup for the discussion of poker.
>
> All this trolling is creating a bad precident, and further lowering the
> S/N ratio. The #2 killer of newsgroups is endless trolling, which
> intrisicly generates loads of off topic messages that flood out good
> messages. Years ago the newsgroup alt.animals.dlphins came under
> anorganized trolling attack that nearly distroyed the NG
>
> Also alot of the imposter's posted a lot of mean spirited stuff, which is
> IMHO not nice and is especially off topic. One of the unstated norms of
> RGP is that, discussions should be civil and "nice." Russ G violated that
> norm several times. But it's not helpful when other people violate that
> norm too.
>
> At least Russ G posted about poker.
>
> If you want to troll, go to http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com . Which is a web
> board devoted to trolling and off topic discussions. It's been years since
> the official topic of "troubled companies" has been discussed.
>
> Just like Russ G, the imposters are today boring, stale and old hat.
>
> An especially thumb's down for the imposters who are using Russ G's real
> moniker's and email in their fake posts. That is just bad usenet
> ettiquette.
>
> Also a thumb's down for live action poker for providing an anonymous
> gateway to RGP, that lets people post/forge posts/troll without having to
> make the time investment ofsetting up an account.
>
> TD Lowball --
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
>
>

[newgca]

Mikey, you are a disgrase to the poker industree. These imposters are
deprivating RGP of my intelect.

Russ Georgiev

** Posted via RGP ACCESS at http://www.LiveActionPoker.com

** Win a seat to the 2004 WSOP at http://www.FabulousPoker.com

[TD Lowball]

On Sep 25 2003 12:04PM, Steven Stapleton wrote:

> "TD Lowball" <anonymous@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > All this trolling is creating a bad precident, and further lowering the
> > S/N ratio. The #2 killer of newsgroups is endless trolling, which
> > intrisicly generates loads of off topic messages that flood out good
> > messages. Years ago the newsgroup alt.animals.dlphins came under
> > anorganized trolling attack that nearly distroyed the NG
>
> IMHO Russ is guilty of newsgroup/slaughter. His weapon is the number
> one killer - spamming to further agendas which is intrinsically
> damaging, improper etiquette and sets a bad precedent. The facts that
> this newsgroup is big and strong and he ruined his credibility
> prevented him from destroying it.

Hardly, Russ was a one man operation with a small set of monikers that was
easily killfiled. Russ did violate RGP comunity standards and USEnet
Ettiquette, but that isn't an excuse fo other people to do so. Also unlike
the trolls russ did post some origional on topic materiel.

> > Also alot of the imposter's posted a lot of mean spirited stuff, which is
> > IMHO not nice and is especially off topic.
>
> The imposters posts are humorous. Which three or four mean spirited
> posts are you referring to?

The MIDICKI post and bunch's of other posts. Also alot of people just
respond to Russ with vulgar or mean/sarcastic one-liners that don't
contribute to RGP in any way. Russ has posted usefull stuff, and did start
many interesting discussions.

>
> > Just like Russ G, the imposters are today boring, stale and old hat.
>
> The imposters are new, post a few each day and will tire or run out of
> material because they are creative and not egomaniacs so they won't
> repost like Russ when they go blank. Russ is tedious, stale and very
> much old hat.
>
> > An especially thumb's down for the imposters who are using Russ G's real
> > moniker's and email in their fake posts. That is just bad usenet
> > ettiquette.
>
> Thumbs down to Russ and his monikers.

But Russ never impersonated someone else. And trolling is not the raison
de etre of RGP. So it should stop. If you want to troll goto
http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/

TD Lowball --

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[TD Lowball]

On Sep 25 2003 12:56PM, James Kay wrote:

> Yeah, it just about destroyed my will to live when those trolls almost
> took down alt.animals.dlphns.
>

Alot of people seem to forget that USEnet was once alot more vibrant that
it is today, alot of newsgroups which are today dead, used to be filled
with people. The thing's that killed newsgroups were spam and trolling. At
somepoint about 2-5 years ago there was an awful amount of organized
trolling/crap flooding/auto-killing/supercedeing/cascading that killed
many useful newsgroups.

TD Lowball --

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[newgca]

On Sep 25 2003 10:39AM, TD Lowball wrote:
> But Russ never impersonated someone else.

WRONG! Russ was caught RED-HANDED using a sock puppet. He posted with a
woman's name and signed it "Russ." I can go dig through google and find it
if I must, but if you've been reading RGP as long as it seems, you
probably remember it.

Also: Please address the fact that Russ has chased away Mike Caro et al.
Has that been good for RGP? Or do you believe that Russ' attacks against
anyone "with a name" is okay? Do you think is unsubstantiated attacks
(which he refuses to prove) against the honesty of various
players/establishments is okay as well?

I do remember those good ol' days of USENET -- I don't think things are as
bleak as you're portraying. Maybe RGP is right now. But other newsgroups
ARE flourishing. That's the natural cycle of things. There's a big influx
of new people to RGP -- probably because of the coverage of the WSOP and
WPT. And whenever you get a larger sample of the population, you get a
larger number of a**holes.

I think of USENET as an Old West of sorts. Some clown comes in to town and
starts shootin' up the place, It's the responsiblity of other to dust off
their guns and shoot back.


Russ Imposter #3.

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[Ceca]

That Never happened, dipshit. Don't believe the lies.

Russ Georgiev

** Posted via RGP ACCESS at http://www.LiveActionPoker.com

** Win a seat to the 2004 WSOP at http://www.FabulousPoker.com

[Raider Fan]

Chumley <pokersilverking@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<pokersilverking-92CA89.07201525092003@shawnews.gv.shawcable.net>...
> >
> >
>
> For those who take a moment to think about it, TD's post is probably the
> seed post that will move the NG back to it's purpose.
>
> It's funny see a parody, that's why people do them, but TD is absolutely
> correct in his statement that the NG is about poker, not trolling. Every
> one of the imposters is a troll......a funny troll.....but a troll
> nontheless.
>
> silverking


I have mixed feelings on this. The imposters are definitely off
topic, but so are the majority of Russ's posts. Plus Russ keeps on
posting the same things over and over again. The imposters are
hilarious. GCA I'm going legit and GCA Macaroni and Cheese had me
rolling! They way he/they use this person knows but will deny it if
asked cracks me up every time.

I'm sure the imposters are not helping RGP, but I for one will miss
them when they're gone.

[newgca]

On Sep 25 2003 3:45AM, TD Lowball wrote:
> Alot of people seem to forget that USEnet was once alot more vibrant that
> it is today, alot of newsgroups which are today dead, used to be filled
> with people. The thing's that killed newsgroups were spam and trolling. At
> somepoint about 2-5 years ago there was an awful amount of organized
> trolling/crap flooding/auto-killing/supercedeing/cascading that killed
> many useful newsgroups.
>
> TD Lowball --


Okay, okay, the guilt trip worked. I'll stop. Pity, 'cause it's really
fun. I've almost finished "Sweet Yeast Dinner Rolls." I was going to make
a couple test batches tonite to make sure the recipe was good. I'll save
it in case Russ goes berserk again.

I was also working on the "Pokermafia Webmaster" series. The plaintive
posts of a socially inept, but technically adept teenager who gets sucked
into the dark and shady world of Russ Georgiev.

eg:
"Mr. Georgiev insists that I work out of his home. I told him I could post
the page from my house, but he insists that he must have tight control
over the whole process. I wouldn't mind so much, but Mr. Georgiev insists
on walking around his house in the the nude. He wanders from room to room
twitching and talking to himself. Yesterday he cornered me in the kitchen
with a butter knife. I'm very frightened. If I suddenly disappear, please
notify the police."

Ah well,

Russ Imposter #3

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[Edward Hutchison]

Russ, or a reasonable facsimile, writes:

>Mikey, you are a disgrase to the poker industree. These imposters are
deprivating RGP of my intelect.<

Is he speaking in code?

If not, he is making my case that we need to strive for a higher level of
ignorance here on good old RGP.






Edward Hutchison
Madison, MS

Point systems for evaluating poker starting hands:
http://PokerProfessor.homestead.com/links.html

[Siam]

>Subject: Re: The Russ G Imposters are also crap flooding RGP and should stop.
>From: "newgca" anonymous@journalist.com
>Date: 9/25/2003 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3f732ed5$0$82034$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>
>
>On Sep 25 2003 10:39AM, TD Lowball wrote:
>> But Russ never impersonated someone else.
>
>WRONG! Russ was caught RED-HANDED using a sock puppet. He posted with a
>woman's name and signed it "Russ."

Yep. And who knows how many other identities he has used.

Cheers



I can go dig through google and find it
>if I must, but if you've been reading RGP as long as it seems, you
>probably remember it.
>
>Also: Please address the fact that Russ has chased away Mike Caro et al.
>Has that been good for RGP? Or do you believe that Russ' attacks against
>anyone "with a name" is okay? Do you think is unsubstantiated attacks
>(which he refuses to prove) against the honesty of various
>players/establishments is okay as well?
>
>I do remember those good ol' days of USENET -- I don't think things are as
>bleak as you're portraying. Maybe RGP is right now. But other newsgroups
>ARE flourishing. That's the natural cycle of things. There's a big influx
>of new people to RGP -- probably because of the coverage of the WSOP and
>WPT. And whenever you get a larger sample of the population, you get a
>larger number of a**holes.
>
>I think of USENET as an Old West of sorts. Some clown comes in to town and
>starts shootin' up the place, It's the responsiblity of other to dust off
>their guns and shoot back.
>
>
>Russ Imposter #3.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Newgca]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:28:49 GMT, "Rzitup" <Rzitup@Rzitup.com> wrote:

>I hope that 10 more imposters appear today. Russ ruined this newsgroup a
>long time ago. The only thing worth reading anymore are the trolls.

I'm not stopping. That's for sure.


Russ Georgiev
Al Martino


>"TD Lowball" <anonymous@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3f72c287$0$82072$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> Howdy.
>>
>> The Russ G Imposters are also crap flooding RGP with off topic crap. In
>> addition they are also generating a cascade problem, from off topic
>> replies to their trolling. None of their posts further the aims of the
>> RGP Charter, which is to create a newsgroup for the discussion of poker.
>>
>> All this trolling is creating a bad precident, and further lowering the
>> S/N ratio. The #2 killer of newsgroups is endless trolling, which
>> intrisicly generates loads of off topic messages that flood out good
>> messages. Years ago the newsgroup alt.animals.dlphins came under
>> anorganized trolling attack that nearly distroyed the NG
>>
>> Also alot of the imposter's posted a lot of mean spirited stuff, which is
>> IMHO not nice and is especially off topic. One of the unstated norms of
>> RGP is that, discussions should be civil and "nice." Russ G violated that
>> norm several times. But it's not helpful when other people violate that
>> norm too.
>>
>> At least Russ G posted about poker.
>>
>> If you want to troll, go to http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com . Which is a web
>> board devoted to trolling and off topic discussions. It's been years since
>> the official topic of "troubled companies" has been discussed.
>>
>> Just like Russ G, the imposters are today boring, stale and old hat.
>>
>> An especially thumb's down for the imposters who are using Russ G's real
>> moniker's and email in their fake posts. That is just bad usenet
>> ettiquette.
>>
>> Also a thumb's down for live action poker for providing an anonymous
>> gateway to RGP, that lets people post/forge posts/troll without having to
>> make the time investment ofsetting up an account.
>>
>> TD Lowball --
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
>>
>>
>

[newgca]

Code? How would you know? I developed scamming codes 40 years ago that
are used today.

If you're so smart tell me why no cheat has been caught in 50 years.

I make no such case for a higher level of ignorance here as whether you
realize it or not, the level of ignorance I post at is unparalleled on
RGP.

Russ Georgiev

** Posted via RGP ACCESS at http://www.LiveActionPoker.com

** Win a seat to the 2004 WSOP at http://www.FabulousPoker.com

[TD Lowball]

On Sep 25 2003 7:15AM, newgca wrote:

> On Sep 25 2003 10:39AM, TD Lowball wrote:
> > But Russ never impersonated someone else.
>
> WRONG! Russ was caught RED-HANDED using a sock puppet. He posted with a
> woman's name and signed it "Russ." I can go dig through google and find it
> if I must, but if you've been reading RGP as long as it seems, you
> probably remember it.

So he made up some stupid identity to back himself up. He has never to my
knowledge attempted to forge someone elses postings.

Anyways the imposters are just trolls and they are filling the NG with
more off topic crap. At least Russ G post's poker related stuff.

> Also: Please address the fact that Russ has chased away Mike Caro et al.
> Has that been good for RGP? Or do you believe that Russ' attacks against
> anyone "with a name" is okay? Do you think is unsubstantiated attacks
> (which he refuses to prove) against the honesty of various
> players/establishments is okay as well?

Mike Caro is an interesting guy and a shameless self promotor. If he
wanted to have stayed he could have. But instead he came with this big sob
story about making a principaled exit from RGP. And then he set up an auto
posting bot. Mike Caro is free like everyone else to post on RGP.

Russ's Rants about cheating should be given as much respect as a USEnet
kook deserves. No more and no less. Frankly I agree with Russ that it's
naive to think that poker cheating dissapered with player delt draw
lowball.

TD Lowball --

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