Would you call this.....

[Sheridan Halls]

This interesting position came up recently at the end of a
tournament...

Heads up...
player 1 holds AK
player 2 holds 96
the suits are irrelavant

I wont bore you with the details of how it got to the river, lets just
say that player 1 misread player 2 and decided to call an earlier bet
hoping that he could get to the river for free... with options of
bluffing later as well.

There is a total of 4000 chips in play, the blinds are at 40/80

There are 1100 chips in the pot
player 1 has 600 chips
player 2 has 2300 chips

the board:
Q 6 3 T

player 2 moves all in.
player 1 is getting odds of 2.8 to call

It is obvious that player 2 has a pair, player 1 does not even
question this.
The way the bets have gone it appears that player 2 has either a Q or
a 6.

If player 2 does not have a king or an ace kicker with his pair,
player 1 has a total of 10 outs, so is taking odds of 3.4 if he calls.
If player 2 DOES have a king or an ace kicker, player 1 has only 7
outs, and is taking odds of 5.3 if he calls.
The odds remain almost unaffected if he holds a jack.

player 1 is a slightly better player than player 2, however the main
reason for this is that player 2 is overly aggressive, player 1 knows
that if he hits big, player 2 will pay him off. Of course, with only
600 chips left this tactic isnt going to work too well, so player 1 is
going to need to get lucky doubling up at least once.

You are player 1, what do you do here?

[Sheridan Halls]

DARNIT, Ive just realised that I have timed out waiting for someone to
tell me what to do here.

Ah well back to the drawing board... ;)


btw, Wondering whether there are people who agree with me that this
player should, sometimes, call this bet.




"Kevin Otto" <kotto@no-spam.wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:<vJbdb.28596$pU4.2830@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I just timed out and lost the whole dam pot cause I had to find my
> calculator to figure out the dam odds. What the hell were you thinking when
> you posted this???
>
>
> rw2lite
> "Sheridan Halls" <Plymouthswans@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:140aa222.0309262210.73d26f02@posting.google.com...
> > This interesting position came up recently at the end of a
> > tournament...
> >
> > Heads up...
> > player 1 holds AK
> > player 2 holds 96
> > the suits are irrelavant
> >
> > I wont bore you with the details of how it got to the river, lets just
> > say that player 1 misread player 2 and decided to call an earlier bet
> > hoping that he could get to the river for free... with options of
> > bluffing later as well.
> >
> > There is a total of 4000 chips in play, the blinds are at 40/80
> >
> > There are 1100 chips in the pot
> > player 1 has 600 chips
> > player 2 has 2300 chips
> >
> > the board:
> > Q 6 3 T
> >
> > player 2 moves all in.
> > player 1 is getting odds of 2.8 to call
> >
> > It is obvious that player 2 has a pair, player 1 does not even
> > question this.
> > The way the bets have gone it appears that player 2 has either a Q or
> > a 6.
> >
> > If player 2 does not have a king or an ace kicker with his pair,
> > player 1 has a total of 10 outs, so is taking odds of 3.4 if he calls.
> > If player 2 DOES have a king or an ace kicker, player 1 has only 7
> > outs, and is taking odds of 5.3 if he calls.
> > The odds remain almost unaffected if he holds a jack.
> >
> > player 1 is a slightly better player than player 2, however the main
> > reason for this is that player 2 is overly aggressive, player 1 knows
> > that if he hits big, player 2 will pay him off. Of course, with only
> > 600 chips left this tactic isnt going to work too well, so player 1 is
> > going to need to get lucky doubling up at least once.
> >
> > You are player 1, what do you do here?

[zenman]

Fold.

You have already stated that the BEST case scenario is that the odds of
player 1 making a winninghand are worse than the pot odds, and you did not
even consider that player one may actually have only 4 outs.

You also stated hat player 1 is better than player 2, and that the blinds
are only 40/80. T600 is suffucient to have a chance to outplay player 2
and win instead of risking all the chips here and now.

Info you did not give that could come into the decision making process
here are number of players left (I assume there it is 3 or 4 handed) and
the payoff structure. If there is a big difference in the payoff for the
next player out and the one above, even more reason not to call.

Zen

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[Sheridan Halls]

I stated that it was "heads up" player, hence it was only 2 players
left at the end of the tournament.
I was the player who had AK, and I basically waited in to the money
from 3rd as I had noticed the other short stacks tendancy to give away
large chunks of his stack on obvious losing hands.

I actually ended up calling here, a decision which I thought was about
50-50.
In the end I thought that folding was probably a very slightly better
option, but there were other factors to take in to account.
If I were to fold and win, it would take about 3/4 - 1 hour, if I were
to call and win it would take about 1/4 hour. There was a good cash
game going on at the time and I thought that I could make about 3/4 of
the total difference in payout between 1st and 2nd in just over half
an hour.... also, although I am usually good at it, I cant stand heads
up play and it was boring the heck out of me.

Sheridan



"zenman" <anonymous@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3f75f38d$0$202$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> Fold.
>
> You have already stated that the BEST case scenario is that the odds of
> player 1 making a winninghand are worse than the pot odds, and you did not
> even consider that player one may actually have only 4 outs.
>
> You also stated hat player 1 is better than player 2, and that the blinds
> are only 40/80. T600 is suffucient to have a chance to outplay player 2
> and win instead of risking all the chips here and now.
>
> Info you did not give that could come into the decision making process
> here are number of players left (I assume there it is 3 or 4 handed) and
> the payoff structure. If there is a big difference in the payoff for the
> next player out and the one above, even more reason not to call.
>
> Zen
>
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