7 stud 8/better on Partypoker

[Calahan MacCool]

I once went downtown San Diego in the mid 90's to play some lowball.
I had read supersystem and got the idea of the game from it and
decided that it would help sharpen up my hold'em game. Particularly
value betting and learning how to bluff.

I knew the club opened up at 10:00 am, so I got there about 10 minutes
before. When I walked in they had a table already set aside with two
decks and a dealer. In front of each spot was already placed two $5
chips eight $1 chips and eight $.25 chips. Kinda of funny at the
time.

So I took a seat and waited. It wasn't but 10 minutes before enough
players showed up to start. Eight players I think. But it took damn
near 20 minutes to get them all seated. Arranging the oxygen bottles,
running the polyestalene hoses, organizing all the walkers and canes
took some time. We had a brief panic when an employee thoughtlessly
started microwaving her breakfast -- two of the players clutched their
chests going "ohh ohhhh oooohhh" before the dealer shouted "shut it
off, shut it off".

With that aside, the game commenced. I kept repeating to myself
"roses are red, violets are blue, never draw to an eight and never
draw two". By the end of the session I was singing "deal me that pat
wheel so I can win the antes". Anyway, after ante'ing about $2 and
losing $3 when I drew to a A245 and paired the 4, I suddenly realized
something. I realized I was buried in this game. I mean I've been
stuck 2 racks in $10-$20 with better hopes of getting even and ahead
then I had in this lowball game. So I made my excuses and said
goodbye and went to Ocean's 11 hoping they had a pan game going ...
another game I wanted to learn.

What does this have to do with 7 stud 8/better on partypoker? Well, I
love 7 card stud high low split. At 15 and 16 I used to deal it at my
Dad's poker game every Saturday-Sunday. I was lucky to get a white
chip ($.10) for dealing a hand. My dad charged time, $3 and hour and
all the scotch and whisky and Shaefer beer you could drink. But they
only let me deal for fun. When I got tired and went to bed, they
would deal themselves.

Anyway, so I go to this partypoker $3-$6 7 card stud 8 better game and
let me tell you, it wasn't but 1/2 hour before I was stuck $10 and
knew I was buried. These games are fricken tough on partypoker. I
don't know how they are on paradise or pokerstars. I mean time after
time I see these players come in and win $40, $80, $100-$200 per
session while I'm there bleeding ante's and bring'ins (1-2, 3-6,
5-10). People jamming the pots with a pair of T's up against boards
of Ah3h5d and me folding my Ac7c3d8s. I remember one hand I made 4
eights in 4 cards heads up against a (XX)2c7h and the guy kept jamming
me back, only to split the ante's in the end when he made a A23477K.

Now I'm not going to cry and say they are cheating. I'm just going to
say the games are excruciatingly tough and leave you with this website
to ponder.

http://www.pokerinspector.com/stud/index.php

Now I've done okay in the other games. The hold'em and the omaha and
the PL omaha. I've done particularly well in the NL sit 'n go
tournaments, $33 and $55 buyins -- reaching final 4 more then 70% of
the time and in the money more then enough to cover the buyins.

So, I've sworn off online 7 stud either hi lo or straight high. I
know when I'm beating my head up against a wall. And unless you are
100% sure you are beating the game, I suggest you don't play them
either.

<Insert O'Malley gratuitous comments here>

[Ray Sittup]

"Calahan MacCool" <calahan@thefianna.org> wrote in message
> >
> <Insert O'Malley gratuitous comments here>

I don't play 7 Card Stud

[vehn]

The rake absolutely murders you in this specific game. Don't play it
unless you find a very good table.

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[Kemtoneblue1]

hmmm....interesting post...

not ringing my bell but this past weekend i booked +3000 on the 30/60
pokerstars game...its called adjusting to the players Mac...if theres one game
one can beat it a loose srud h/l game...there gonna give it back, the aggresive
(holdem) stud/8 wanna bees... seesaws, youve seen em...up/down/uo/down and
eventually out...play right...trackem down time to time and there yours...just
my opinion mac,,,for what its worth.....

[Nng2000]

i play the 3-6 and the 5-10 stud 8 on party. between those two games, i
average about $7 an hour. there's a lot of bad playing going on in those
games: lots of people sticking around after they've bricked badly on 4th, lots
of people starting with 9s, tens, jacks, people raising back with hi hands when
they are against a freerolling lo.

i also try to play heads up as much as i can and there's only about 10 regular
players that i wont play.

its not a game where you'll make a killing during one session-you have to
grind it out.

but, party is the only place i've played stud8, so i really dont know if what
goes on there is representative of *normal* stud8 games.

NNG

[Stephen Jacobs]

I do ok in stud8 on both Paradise and Party. On the other hand, I also have
sessions like the stuff described below. Early in Ray Zee's book he gives
the magic formula: if you know how to play, every so often you scoop a
monster pot that makes up for days of bleeding with hands that died on late
streets.

Not that I'm likely to get over the frustration of 4-card low straight
flushes bricking off any time soon.

"Calahan MacCool" <calahan@thefianna.org> wrote in message
news:231db32c.0310131928.3a73aa20@posting.google.com...
.....................
> What does this have to do with 7 stud 8/better on partypoker? Well, I
> love 7 card stud high low split. At 15 and 16 I used to deal it at my
> Dad's poker game every Saturday-Sunday. I was lucky to get a white
> chip ($.10) for dealing a hand. My dad charged time, $3 and hour and
> all the scotch and whisky and Shaefer beer you could drink. But they
> only let me deal for fun. When I got tired and went to bed, they
> would deal themselves.
>
> Anyway, so I go to this partypoker $3-$6 7 card stud 8 better game and
> let me tell you, it wasn't but 1/2 hour before I was stuck $10 and
> knew I was buried. These games are fricken tough on partypoker. I
> don't know how they are on paradise or pokerstars. I mean time after
> time I see these players come in and win $40, $80, $100-$200 per
> session while I'm there bleeding ante's and bring'ins (1-2, 3-6,
> 5-10). People jamming the pots with a pair of T's up against boards
> of Ah3h5d and me folding my Ac7c3d8s. I remember one hand I made 4
> eights in 4 cards heads up against a (XX)2c7h and the guy kept jamming
> me back, only to split the ante's in the end when he made a A23477K.
>
> Now I'm not going to cry and say they are cheating. I'm just going to
> say the games are excruciatingly tough and leave you with this website
> to ponder.
>
> http://www.pokerinspector.com/stud/index.php
>
> Now I've done okay in the other games. The hold'em and the omaha and
> the PL omaha. I've done particularly well in the NL sit 'n go
> tournaments, $33 and $55 buyins -- reaching final 4 more then 70% of
> the time and in the money more then enough to cover the buyins.
>
> So, I've sworn off online 7 stud either hi lo or straight high. I
> know when I'm beating my head up against a wall. And unless you are
> 100% sure you are beating the game, I suggest you don't play them
> either.
>
> <Insert O'Malley gratuitous comments here>

[str8jacket]

I'm sure you remember me from the 10/20 stud hi/lo game on Party.

I'll offer a bit of constructive criticism, take it as you like...

Those games are generally populated by very good and very bad players. The
very good players wait patiently to punish the bad ones and are resigned
to lose some pots and antes in the interim. Occasionally a knowledgeable,
but uninitiated player enters the mix and gets roasted. I may be
remembering this wrong but seem to recall sizing you up as someone who is
good enough that I can manipulate. If this was the case I'm sure others
saw the same. There are two distinct levels to this game. Against the fish
you must play purely mechanical because they can not be manipulated or
pushed off a pot. Just give them time and they will self-destruct. Against
a good player who is not playing at the top level the game takes on a very
complicated texture.

If you don't want to be abused you must add a level of unpredicatability
to your play.

Another piece of advice... If you can't ignore the chat, turn it off.
There are several hi/lo players who use chat to their advantage.

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[Calahan MacCool]

Your the second player thats told me the've won 3k playing 30/60 on
pokerstars. I may try the stud on pokerstars, but you won't find me
in the 30/60 game. I'm a recreational player only.


kemtoneblue1@aol.com (Kemtoneblue1) wrote in message news:<20031014000550.12785.00000331@mb-m19.aol.com>...
> hmmm....interesting post...
>
> not ringing my bell but this past weekend i booked +3000 on the 30/60
> pokerstars game...its called adjusting to the players Mac...if theres one game
> one can beat it a loose srud h/l game...there gonna give it back, the aggresive
> (holdem) stud/8 wanna bees... seesaws, youve seen em...up/down/uo/down and
> eventually out...play right...trackem down time to time and there yours...just
> my opinion mac,,,for what its worth.....

[Tone Barbaccio]

I rarely see anything resembling a very tough game at those levels at
Party. PokerStars on the other hand, does have some very tough games at
the lower limits. I'd agree with str8jacket that games are usually a mix
of very good and very bad players. The good players usually steer clear of
one another and wind up splitting the profits from the fish. Game
selection has been the most important thing in playing Stud 8 for me
lately. There are many days when I'll log onto Stars, check out the games,
and either not play at all or head over to Party where the competition
isn't as strong overall.

Tone Barbaccio

On Oct 13 2003 11:28PM, Calahan MacCool wrote:

> I once went downtown San Diego in the mid 90's to play some lowball.
> I had read supersystem and got the idea of the game from it and
> decided that it would help sharpen up my hold'em game. Particularly
> value betting and learning how to bluff.
>
> I knew the club opened up at 10:00 am, so I got there about 10 minutes
> before. When I walked in they had a table already set aside with two
> decks and a dealer. In front of each spot was already placed two $5
> chips eight $1 chips and eight $.25 chips. Kinda of funny at the
> time.
>
> So I took a seat and waited. It wasn't but 10 minutes before enough
> players showed up to start. Eight players I think. But it took damn
> near 20 minutes to get them all seated. Arranging the oxygen bottles,
> running the polyestalene hoses, organizing all the walkers and canes
> took some time. We had a brief panic when an employee thoughtlessly
> started microwaving her breakfast -- two of the players clutched their
> chests going "ohh ohhhh oooohhh" before the dealer shouted "shut it
> off, shut it off".
>
> With that aside, the game commenced. I kept repeating to myself
> "roses are red, violets are blue, never draw to an eight and never
> draw two". By the end of the session I was singing "deal me that pat
> wheel so I can win the antes". Anyway, after ante'ing about $2 and
> losing $3 when I drew to a A245 and paired the 4, I suddenly realized
> something. I realized I was buried in this game. I mean I've been
> stuck 2 racks in $10-$20 with better hopes of getting even and ahead
> then I had in this lowball game. So I made my excuses and said
> goodbye and went to Ocean's 11 hoping they had a pan game going ...
> another game I wanted to learn.
>
> What does this have to do with 7 stud 8/better on partypoker? Well, I
> love 7 card stud high low split. At 15 and 16 I used to deal it at my
> Dad's poker game every Saturday-Sunday. I was lucky to get a white
> chip ($.10) for dealing a hand. My dad charged time, $3 and hour and
> all the scotch and whisky and Shaefer beer you could drink. But they
> only let me deal for fun. When I got tired and went to bed, they
> would deal themselves.
>
> Anyway, so I go to this partypoker $3-$6 7 card stud 8 better game and
> let me tell you, it wasn't but 1/2 hour before I was stuck $10 and
> knew I was buried. These games are fricken tough on partypoker. I
> don't know how they are on paradise or pokerstars. I mean time after
> time I see these players come in and win $40, $80, $100-$200 per
> session while I'm there bleeding ante's and bring'ins (1-2, 3-6,
> 5-10). People jamming the pots with a pair of T's up against boards
> of Ah3h5d and me folding my Ac7c3d8s. I remember one hand I made 4
> eights in 4 cards heads up against a (XX)2c7h and the guy kept jamming
> me back, only to split the ante's in the end when he made a A23477K.
>
> Now I'm not going to cry and say they are cheating. I'm just going to
> say the games are excruciatingly tough and leave you with this website
> to ponder.
>
> http://www.pokerinspector.com/stud/index.php
>
> Now I've done okay in the other games. The hold'em and the omaha and
> the PL omaha. I've done particularly well in the NL sit 'n go
> tournaments, $33 and $55 buyins -- reaching final 4 more then 70% of
> the time and in the money more then enough to cover the buyins.
>
> So, I've sworn off online 7 stud either hi lo or straight high. I
> know when I'm beating my head up against a wall. And unless you are
> 100% sure you are beating the game, I suggest you don't play them
> either.
>
> <Insert O'Malley gratuitous comments here>

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[Augie Chiausa]

"Tone Barbaccio" <anonymous@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3f8c2d88$0$239$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> I rarely see anything resembling a very tough game at those levels at
> Party. PokerStars on the other hand, does have some very tough games at
> the lower limits. I'd agree with str8jacket that games are usually a mix
> of very good and very bad players. The good players usually steer clear of
> one another and wind up splitting the profits from the fish. Game
> selection has been the most important thing in playing Stud 8 for me
> lately. There are many days when I'll log onto Stars, check out the games,
> and either not play at all or head over to Party where the competition
> isn't as strong overall.

Personally, I prefer a mixed game. I like a few good players and a few
fish. I find the anchor that the good players provide keep me playing more
of my A game. OTOH, I find myself stupidly "taking one off" when at a fish
table, because I know they'll often start with two to a low and not punish
me. If I ever see the "long run" which I understand will happen 36 years
after I die, I'm sure that the fish filled game are going to eek out more of
a profit. I guess I like the balance between low variance and a good earn.


>
> Tone Barbaccio
>
> On Oct 13 2003 11:28PM, Calahan MacCool wrote:
>
> > I once went downtown San Diego in the mid 90's to play some lowball.
> > I had read supersystem and got the idea of the game from it and
> > decided that it would help sharpen up my hold'em game. Particularly
> > value betting and learning how to bluff.
> >
> > I knew the club opened up at 10:00 am, so I got there about 10 minutes
> > before. When I walked in they had a table already set aside with two
> > decks and a dealer. In front of each spot was already placed two $5
> > chips eight $1 chips and eight $.25 chips. Kinda of funny at the
> > time.
> >
> > So I took a seat and waited. It wasn't but 10 minutes before enough
> > players showed up to start. Eight players I think. But it took damn
> > near 20 minutes to get them all seated. Arranging the oxygen bottles,
> > running the polyestalene hoses, organizing all the walkers and canes
> > took some time. We had a brief panic when an employee thoughtlessly
> > started microwaving her breakfast -- two of the players clutched their
> > chests going "ohh ohhhh oooohhh" before the dealer shouted "shut it
> > off, shut it off".
> >
> > With that aside, the game commenced. I kept repeating to myself
> > "roses are red, violets are blue, never draw to an eight and never
> > draw two". By the end of the session I was singing "deal me that pat
> > wheel so I can win the antes". Anyway, after ante'ing about $2 and
> > losing $3 when I drew to a A245 and paired the 4, I suddenly realized
> > something. I realized I was buried in this game. I mean I've been
> > stuck 2 racks in $10-$20 with better hopes of getting even and ahead
> > then I had in this lowball game. So I made my excuses and said
> > goodbye and went to Ocean's 11 hoping they had a pan game going ...
> > another game I wanted to learn.
> >
> > What does this have to do with 7 stud 8/better on partypoker? Well, I
> > love 7 card stud high low split. At 15 and 16 I used to deal it at my
> > Dad's poker game every Saturday-Sunday. I was lucky to get a white
> > chip ($.10) for dealing a hand. My dad charged time, $3 and hour and
> > all the scotch and whisky and Shaefer beer you could drink. But they
> > only let me deal for fun. When I got tired and went to bed, they
> > would deal themselves.
> >
> > Anyway, so I go to this partypoker $3-$6 7 card stud 8 better game and
> > let me tell you, it wasn't but 1/2 hour before I was stuck $10 and
> > knew I was buried. These games are fricken tough on partypoker. I
> > don't know how they are on paradise or pokerstars. I mean time after
> > time I see these players come in and win $40, $80, $100-$200 per
> > session while I'm there bleeding ante's and bring'ins (1-2, 3-6,
> > 5-10). People jamming the pots with a pair of T's up against boards
> > of Ah3h5d and me folding my Ac7c3d8s. I remember one hand I made 4
> > eights in 4 cards heads up against a (XX)2c7h and the guy kept jamming
> > me back, only to split the ante's in the end when he made a A23477K.
> >
> > Now I'm not going to cry and say they are cheating. I'm just going to
> > say the games are excruciatingly tough and leave you with this website
> > to ponder.
> >
> > http://www.pokerinspector.com/stud/index.php
> >
> > Now I've done okay in the other games. The hold'em and the omaha and
> > the PL omaha. I've done particularly well in the NL sit 'n go
> > tournaments, $33 and $55 buyins -- reaching final 4 more then 70% of
> > the time and in the money more then enough to cover the buyins.
> >
> > So, I've sworn off online 7 stud either hi lo or straight high. I
> > know when I'm beating my head up against a wall. And unless you are
> > 100% sure you are beating the game, I suggest you don't play them
> > either.
> >
> > <Insert O'Malley gratuitous comments here>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>

[Calahan MacCool]

"str8jacket" <anonymous@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3f8c0dfd$0$36839$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>...
> I'm sure you remember me from the 10/20 stud hi/lo game on Party.
>
> I'll offer a bit of constructive criticism, take it as you like...
>

I don't know if you know my play name. It isn't Calahan, it's top
secret. I know I've seen ya and didnt' think anything bad. Who I
hate is Captpugwash and magic wan, and bbqer, all 3 of them are 4th
and 5th street card magnets, typcally catching the suited baby and Ace
on 4th and 5th street.

I give up that game. As for being manipulated, I admit that easily.
I hate playing heads up with (A,4)A,8 against (XX)5sAs so I typicaly
fold alot with hands perhaps I should follow through on.


>
> If you don't want to be abused you must add a level of unpredicatability
> to your play.
>
> Another piece of advice... If you can't ignore the chat, turn it off.
> There are several hi/lo players who use chat to their advantage.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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[Dave L]

I just recently began playing stud/8 tournaments on PokerStars. I've
played plenty of ring games, and, while I never really loved the game, I
always did well, and played it for a change of pace.

Well, for some reason,to quote Phil Hellmuth, I have been "crushing" the
tournaments in stud 8b.

I have entered 8 multis, finished in the money 5 times (including 3
FTs), bubbled twice, and finished top 20% in the other.

In sit-n-goes, I have played 22 games. I have made the money in 18, and
finished first in 12.

In heads up stud 8/b, I have played 14 times and won 10.

Granted, it's a small sample size, but the more I am winning, the more I
like it (isn't it funny how that works). Now, I am anything but an
experienced stud player, and yes, it may be short term results, but I
have a very good feel for the game overall, and so far it has been
working.

Are the games easy? They SEEM to be. My overall run of cards hasn't
been anything spectacular, and I have had more than my share of bad
beats, but I am still winning at these games.

On party poker, the only stud 8/b games I played were low limit (2/4),
and can't recall a losing session. I never really entertained the
higher limits, because I had long considered stud my "weak" game.

They key for me has been simply knowing when to chase and when to fold.
I've been bluffing at the right times and folding questionable hands
before they get me in too much trouble. When I am pretty sure I have the
best hand, I make my oppoenets pay for their cards. I am able to lay
down a powerful hand if I feel it is beaten. For some reason, I can read
a stud hand better than I can a Hold'em hand, and can calculate the odds
much quicker.

So, either I have a natural feel for the game or the players are just
THAT bad. Or maybe I'm just in the "High Moment"?



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[Dan Merchant]

In article <20031014003038.07126.00000287@mb-m21.aol.com>, Nng2000
<nng2000@aol.com> wrote:

> i play the 3-6 and the 5-10 stud 8 on party. between those two games, i
> average about $7 an hour. there's a lot of bad playing going on in those
> games: lots of people sticking around after they've bricked badly on 4th, lots
> of people starting with 9s, tens, jacks, people raising back with hi hands
> when
> they are against a freerolling lo.

playing for those limits and $7/hour is good? that sounds to me like
it's not worth the the trouble, IMHO.

i'm a rank beginner at hold em, just bought a book 3 weeks ago, and
i've managed to make $20/hr on pokerroom.com at 1/2 for the past 2
weeks. (in limited play at 2/4 i've only broke even.)

isn't 7 card stud by nature a much harder game? if you're playing to
make money why choose it? (not ask in disrespect, just wondering.)

--
dm

[Augie Chiausa]

"Dan Merchant" <idanno@mac.com> wrote in message
news:141020031433534013%idanno@mac.com...
> In article <20031014003038.07126.00000287@mb-m21.aol.com>, Nng2000
> <nng2000@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > i play the 3-6 and the 5-10 stud 8 on party. between those two games, i
> > average about $7 an hour. there's a lot of bad playing going on in
those
> > games: lots of people sticking around after they've bricked badly on
4th, lots
> > of people starting with 9s, tens, jacks, people raising back with hi
hands
> > when
> > they are against a freerolling lo.
>
> playing for those limits and $7/hour is good? that sounds to me like
> it's not worth the the trouble, IMHO.

Well then, if you're looking to a slick angle to avoid life, get a job
flipping burgers and don't play poker.1 to 2 BB/hr is not a bad long time
earn. Anyone who tells you about the silver bullet should have one planted
behind the ear.


>
> i'm a rank beginner at hold em, just bought a book 3 weeks ago, and
> i've managed to make $20/hr on pokerroom.com at 1/2 for the past 2
> weeks. (in limited play at 2/4 i've only broke even.)

Good. Come back in another six months and let us know how well you do.

>
> isn't 7 card stud by nature a much harder game?

There's mixed feelings about this subject. On one hand, there's the school
of "if you can reevaluate your outs on each round, you have more betting
rounds." There's another school, who thinks that its a very mechanical
game. I fall somewhere in the middle.

> if you're playing to
> make money why choose it? (not ask in disrespect, just wondering.)

Personally, I enjoy it.

>
> --
> dm

[Dan Merchant]

In article <HEYib.26528$Hl2.12778@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, Augie Chiausa
<achiausa@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

> Personally, I enjoy it.

that's the answer i was looking for, i'll ignore the bitch-slap in the
the middle of your post. i'm truly just a newbie and wondering what the
good players are making. i'm not bragging, $20/hour is a nice byproduct
of playing poker. i can make $50/hour programming php in my sparetime,
i'd rather play poker.

--
dm

[Tone Barbaccio]

Aug,
I prefer the mixed game as well but for reasons a bit different from
yours. There's nothing more frustrating than having a solid low, betting
into 3-4 or even 5 players, and not having someone with a strong high hand
raise it behind them to get more money into the pot. Good players know
when their high is good a bit more than the fish do and make the others
pay to draw thereby giving you a better and bigger split. Weak players
won't raise allowing others to draw out on them and sometimes you cheaply.
I'm also not sure you're not playing it right to sometimes "take one off"
with alot of fish at the table. First, if you do it sparingly and when
you're drawing at a very strong low that could also take high it makes you
seem as loose as they are leading them to call you more when you finally
do hold a powerhouse.

Tone Barbaccio
On Oct 14 2003 1:22PM, Augie Chiausa wrote:

> "Tone Barbaccio" <anonymous@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:3f8c2d88$0$239$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> > I rarely see anything resembling a very tough game at those levels at
> > Party. PokerStars on the other hand, does have some very tough games at
> > the lower limits. I'd agree with str8jacket that games are usually a mix
> > of very good and very bad players. The good players usually steer clear of
> > one another and wind up splitting the profits from the fish. Game
> > selection has been the most important thing in playing Stud 8 for me
> > lately. There are many days when I'll log onto Stars, check out the games,
> > and either not play at all or head over to Party where the competition
> > isn't as strong overall.
>
> Personally, I prefer a mixed game. I like a few good players and a few
> fish. I find the anchor that the good players provide keep me playing more
> of my A game. OTOH, I find myself stupidly "taking one off" when at a fish
> table, because I know they'll often start with two to a low and not punish
> me. If I ever see the "long run" which I understand will happen 36 years
> after I die, I'm sure that the fish filled game are going to eek out more of
> a profit. I guess I like the balance between low variance and a good earn.
>
>
> >
> > Tone Barbaccio
> >
> > On Oct 13 2003 11:28PM, Calahan MacCool wrote:
> >
> > > I once went downtown San Diego in the mid 90's to play some lowball.
> > > I had read supersystem and got the idea of the game from it and
> > > decided that it would help sharpen up my hold'em game. Particularly
> > > value betting and learning how to bluff.
> > >
> > > I knew the club opened up at 10:00 am, so I got there about 10 minutes
> > > before. When I walked in they had a table already set aside with two
> > > decks and a dealer. In front of each spot was already placed two $5
> > > chips eight $1 chips and eight $.25 chips. Kinda of funny at the
> > > time.
> > >
> > > So I took a seat and waited. It wasn't but 10 minutes before enough
> > > players showed up to start. Eight players I think. But it took damn
> > > near 20 minutes to get them all seated. Arranging the oxygen bottles,
> > > running the polyestalene hoses, organizing all the walkers and canes
> > > took some time. We had a brief panic when an employee thoughtlessly
> > > started microwaving her breakfast -- two of the players clutched their
> > > chests going "ohh ohhhh oooohhh" before the dealer shouted "shut it
> > > off, shut it off".
> > >
> > > With that aside, the game commenced. I kept repeating to myself
> > > "roses are red, violets are blue, never draw to an eight and never
> > > draw two". By the end of the session I was singing "deal me that pat
> > > wheel so I can win the antes". Anyway, after ante'ing about $2 and
> > > losing $3 when I drew to a A245 and paired the 4, I suddenly realized
> > > something. I realized I was buried in this game. I mean I've been
> > > stuck 2 racks in $10-$20 with better hopes of getting even and ahead
> > > then I had in this lowball game. So I made my excuses and said
> > > goodbye and went to Ocean's 11 hoping they had a pan game going ...
> > > another game I wanted to learn.
> > >
> > > What does this have to do with 7 stud 8/better on partypoker? Well, I
> > > love 7 card stud high low split. At 15 and 16 I used to deal it at my
> > > Dad's poker game every Saturday-Sunday. I was lucky to get a white
> > > chip ($.10) for dealing a hand. My dad charged time, $3 and hour and
> > > all the scotch and whisky and Shaefer beer you could drink. But they
> > > only let me deal for fun. When I got tired and went to bed, they
> > > would deal themselves.
> > >
> > > Anyway, so I go to this partypoker $3-$6 7 card stud 8 better game and
> > > let me tell you, it wasn't but 1/2 hour before I was stuck $10 and
> > > knew I was buried. These games are fricken tough on partypoker. I
> > > don't know how they are on paradise or pokerstars. I mean time after
> > > time I see these players come in and win $40, $80, $100-$200 per
> > > session while I'm there bleeding ante's and bring'ins (1-2, 3-6,
> > > 5-10). People jamming the pots with a pair of T's up against boards
> > > of Ah3h5d and me folding my Ac7c3d8s. I remember one hand I made 4
> > > eights in 4 cards heads up against a (XX)2c7h and the guy kept jamming
> > > me back, only to split the ante's in the end when he made a A23477K.
> > >
> > > Now I'm not going to cry and say they are cheating. I'm just going to
> > > say the games are excruciatingly tough and leave you with this website
> > > to ponder.
> > >
> > > http://www.pokerinspector.com/stud/index.php
> > >
> > > Now I've done okay in the other games. The hold'em and the omaha and
> > > the PL omaha. I've done particularly well in the NL sit 'n go
> > > tournaments, $33 and $55 buyins -- reaching final 4 more then 70% of
> > > the time and in the money more then enough to cover the buyins.
> > >
> > > So, I've sworn off online 7 stud either hi lo or straight high. I
> > > know when I'm beating my head up against a wall. And unless you are
> > > 100% sure you are beating the game, I suggest you don't play them
> > > either.
> > >
> > > <Insert O'Malley gratuitous comments here>
> >

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[Chad Day]

Wow, you think the games are tough? I thought they were soft.. I've
been cleaning up pretty well, I wish people played 5/10 .. the tables
are always empty.

just be content to bleed antes and only play premium hands, know to
bet when people catch bricks, etc etc. patience.