playing 5-5 in the BB????

[minus200]

1-4-8-8 holdem game with sort of a typical line-up. One good player and
2 others that have some clue and 2 hopeless players of the 10 at the
table. There is some raising but very few reraises

you are in the BB with the black five's (5-5)
couple callers and then one of the idiots in a middle position raises
the $2 blind to $4. An aggressive player that has no clue but will have
some kind of a hand for this action makes it $8 and one other clueless
player cold calls and now it is up to you with "presto". You have a
good read on the table and you are confident that there will be 6
callers if you choose to call the additional $6.( this turned out to be
correct) You can also be confident that at least 3 of these player will
call the $4 bet after the flop and if it is raised, any of them will go
to the river with ANY flush draw. You are a little ahead in the game
and will play only about another hour


do you call the $6??? and why or why not

yes I know it is presto but I am not a religious person - I do not
worship at the alter of 5-5

[Garycarson1]

What's important isn't so much the decision you make, but the information you
think is important in making that decision.

Why do you think it's important that you're a little ahead? Why do you think
it matters when you intend to leave?

Gary Carson

[Lone Locust of the Apocalypse]

minus200 <minus200@comcast.net> writes:
>you are in the BB with the black five's (5-5)

They don't play to win, so you should fold.

[Kevin Cline]

minus200 <minus200@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3F8B7419.2939E558@comcast.net>...
> 1-4-8-8 holdem game with sort of a typical line-up. One good player and
> 2 others that have some clue and 2 hopeless players of the 10 at the
> table. There is some raising but very few reraises
>
> you are in the BB with the black five's (5-5)
> couple callers and then one of the idiots in a middle position raises
> the $2 blind to $4. An aggressive player that has no clue ...

Do you?


> ... You can also be confident that at least 3 of these player will
> call the $4 bet after the flop and if it is raised, any of them will go
> to the river with ANY flush draw.

> You are a little ahead in the game
> and will play only about another hour

What possible difference could that make? The only thing that's
important
is how much it will cost you to call, how much you can expect to win
if you do win, and your chance of winning.

I call, because I only have to pay $6 (less than one big bet!) to have
a shot at a pot that will probably go over $100, and if I flop a set I
will be able to play the hand hard.

[Mike Lease]

I think I'd fold here, as the odds are pretty good that at least one of
the callers is going to have a higher pair than you, or get one on the
flop. Yeah, you might luck out and flop the red 5's or a straight flush
draw, but do you really want to count on that? My guess is you'd be
throwing good money after bad. OTOH, if you want to try to generate
some more action from these players if/when you have a better hand, you
could go ahead and play it out aggressively, and be sure not to muck
if your hand loses. It might make the others think you're bluffing
later on, and induce them to keep betting when you do have the nuts.

-Mike

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minus200 <minus200@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3F8B7419.2939E558@comcast.net>...
> 1-4-8-8 holdem game with sort of a typical line-up. One good player and
> 2 others that have some clue and 2 hopeless players of the 10 at the
> table. There is some raising but very few reraises
>
> you are in the BB with the black five's (5-5)
> couple callers and then one of the idiots in a middle position raises
> the $2 blind to $4. An aggressive player that has no clue but will have
> some kind of a hand for this action makes it $8 and one other clueless
> player cold calls and now it is up to you with "presto". You have a
> good read on the table and you are confident that there will be 6
> callers if you choose to call the additional $6.( this turned out to be
> correct) You can also be confident that at least 3 of these player will
> call the $4 bet after the flop and if it is raised, any of them will go
> to the river with ANY flush draw. You are a little ahead in the game
> and will play only about another hour
>
>
> do you call the $6??? and why or why not
>
> yes I know it is presto but I am not a religious person - I do not
> worship at the alter of 5-5

[BadMrFrosty]

Are you being serious.... or am I missing the subtle sarcasim.

"Mike Lease" <mike_on_usenet@mlease.mailbolt.com> wrote in message
news:f42e8aed.0310140841.255b0fe2@posting.google.com...
> I think I'd fold here, as the odds are pretty good that at least one of
> the callers is going to have a higher pair than you, or get one on the
> flop. Yeah, you might luck out and flop the red 5's or a straight flush
> draw, but do you really want to count on that? My guess is you'd be
> throwing good money after bad. OTOH, if you want to try to generate
> some more action from these players if/when you have a better hand, you
> could go ahead and play it out aggressively, and be sure not to muck
> if your hand loses. It might make the others think you're bluffing
> later on, and induce them to keep betting when you do have the nuts.
>
> -Mike
>
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>
> minus200 <minus200@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<3F8B7419.2939E558@comcast.net>...
> > 1-4-8-8 holdem game with sort of a typical line-up. One good player and
> > 2 others that have some clue and 2 hopeless players of the 10 at the
> > table. There is some raising but very few reraises
> >
> > you are in the BB with the black five's (5-5)
> > couple callers and then one of the idiots in a middle position raises
> > the $2 blind to $4. An aggressive player that has no clue but will have
> > some kind of a hand for this action makes it $8 and one other clueless
> > player cold calls and now it is up to you with "presto". You have a
> > good read on the table and you are confident that there will be 6
> > callers if you choose to call the additional $6.( this turned out to be
> > correct) You can also be confident that at least 3 of these player will
> > call the $4 bet after the flop and if it is raised, any of them will go
> > to the river with ANY flush draw. You are a little ahead in the game
> > and will play only about another hour
> >
> >
> > do you call the $6??? and why or why not
> >
> > yes I know it is presto but I am not a religious person - I do not
> > worship at the alter of 5-5

[minus200]

Unlike like the famous Gary Carson, I do not play poker for the money - it is
how I keep score

These are unrelated side notes that might enter into some players choice. I am
confident that I made the correct choice but started to give some thought to this
hand since it is a common situation in most low limit games. I always try to
review my sessions and look for areas that I might have made mistakes. I was
seeking other players comments and ideas with the chance that I might need to
rethink my play in this situation. If this was too much information for you and
you were not able to reach a conclusion, I could repost the question in a manner
that might not overwhelm your capacity to make a clear choice without an
overabundance of unimportant information. If you have no solution then just say-
"it depends" or heaven forbid - "I dont know which action is correct."

oh my - the street runs both directions

Garycarson1 wrote:

> What's important isn't so much the decision you make, but the information you
> think is important in making that decision.
>
> Why do you think it's important that you're a little ahead? Why do you think
> it matters when you intend to leave?
>
> Gary Carson

[Mark Rafn]

minus200 <minus200@comcast.net> wrote:
>you are in the BB with the black five's (5-5)
>couple callers and then one of the idiots in a middle position raises
>the $2 blind to $4. An aggressive player that has no clue but will have
>some kind of a hand for this action makes it $8 and one other clueless
>player cold calls and now it is up to you with "presto". You have a
>good read on the table and you are confident that there will be 6
>callers if you choose to call the additional $6.( this turned out to be
>correct) You can also be confident that at least 3 of these player will
>call the $4 bet after the flop and if it is raised, any of them will go
>to the river with ANY flush draw.

$6 into a 7-way $56 pot, with the likelihood of $30-$150 or more postflop?

>You are a little ahead in the game
>and will play only about another hour

Doesn't really matter, except that if you're done taking risks you should
leave now rather than waiting an hour.

>do you call the $6??? and why or why not

Call $6, perhaps raise to $12, especially if it caps the betting and won't
chase too many people out (sounds like not). You'll usually lose, but you win
a huge pot when you win.

>yes I know it is presto but I am not a religious person - I do not
>worship at the alter of 5-5

Time to get religion.
--
Mark Rafn dagon@dagon.net <http://www.dagon.net/>

[JNorth]

If it was just a raise to 4, I would call for sure. A raise to 8
however, even by an aggressive opponent I think forces you to fold.
You will only flop a set one out of 7.5 times and although the pot is
multiway, you are not getting quite enough implied odds because of all
the money you are forced to put in now. I think that a call however
is not a horrible play if you think you will get paid off big when you
hit. A re-raise here is a higher variance play that should only be
tried if you think you have a good shot of getting it heads up. I
prefer folding.

minus200 <minus200@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3F8B7419.2939E558@comcast.net>...
> 1-4-8-8 holdem game with sort of a typical line-up. One good player and
> 2 others that have some clue and 2 hopeless players of the 10 at the
> table. There is some raising but very few reraises
>
> you are in the BB with the black five's (5-5)
> couple callers and then one of the idiots in a middle position raises
> the $2 blind to $4. An aggressive player that has no clue but will have
> some kind of a hand for this action makes it $8 and one other clueless
> player cold calls and now it is up to you with "presto". You have a
> good read on the table and you are confident that there will be 6
> callers if you choose to call the additional $6.( this turned out to be
> correct) You can also be confident that at least 3 of these player will
> call the $4 bet after the flop and if it is raised, any of them will go
> to the river with ANY flush draw. You are a little ahead in the game
> and will play only about another hour
>
>
> do you call the $6??? and why or why not
>
> yes I know it is presto but I am not a religious person - I do not
> worship at the alter of 5-5