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citytom
09-24-2005, 07:03 PM
Cheating at Online Poker! Have you seen this ad online?

This is being sold as “No Rules Poker” on the internet.
It has a beautifully written ad which stopped me in my tracks when I read it. It told how I could see my opponents cards, just as I see my cards on the screen. What a deal that is. I will be able to know what my opponents hole cards are! I read the ad again (it was quite long). I’ve been around too long to believe what the ad said, and moved on.

A few days later I came across a forum post of a customer of the above ad. He was so angry he posted the whole damn package for anyone’s viewing. And boy, did I laugh.

I read it in less than an hour. It is such bullsh**. Let me give you a summary of it's contents:
Part one: pertains to "collusion". Nothing I didn't know already. The author is talking about you and your buddy playing the same SNG and are on the phone telling each other their hole cards.
Part two included some info on a Poker bot that you can buy somewhere else. I have no idea if that idea is realistic. I did go to the site and read another well written, and long, ad on poker-bots. A poker bot is a program that will allow a “robot” to play, and win, without you being there. Hmmmmm!.
Part three was some 1st class real bullsh** regarding "linguistics". He gives examples of using the chat to influence what your opponent does. Totally bogus.
Part Three: pertains to installing a program, and get it onto your opponents computer. You have to, at the minimum get his password, user name, ISP, etc.; and I'm not sure if the rest of the computer oriented stuff would work if you could even get that info.

He gives a money back guarantee. I can't see anyone being happy or finding this useful.
What an entrepreneur the author is though. He's written an advertisement that grabs people's attention. I'm sure he's made a bundle of money.
I'm glad I didn't buy. I would have been requesting my money back. How long do you think I would have to wait?????
I'm embarrassed that I gave this ad the attention I did.
I’d like to hear from others on their thoughts/interaction/experiences regarding the above product.

Citytom
www.pokerchipsvideo.com

ambitious1
05-12-2006, 12:43 PM
I too saw this and was initially intrigued. Sounds great - u could see evryones cards at the table!!!!

Then if you read further, you see that you first have to get your opponent to willingly install the same software on his computer somehow (maybe with an elaborite and enticing add - get where i'm going with this?). THEN, you just need to know his password for the program, oh and his ISP. not hard (LOL)
If you ask me, what happens is the exact reverse of what you think. When you download the software and initially register, you probably send him your isp and password - now he knows you and can track you but the reverse is not true. now you're the one being watched. Or potentially worse, he wants to scan your whole drive for information not even related to poker.

Now I'm gonna discuss another peice of software... PokerRNG.

I was dazzled with the possibility and yes actually bought it. At the discount price of course. What I'm about to say hasnt been said by anyone yet.
It says that it will be able to track the RNG after 2200 hands logged. Ok, not a problem you think. That doesnt include hands that dont make it to the river, so depending on where youre playing - u might have to multiply that by 4 ( 2 at the least). You have to manually enter in each hand which sucks.

Between two of us trying to build a database, playing 3 or four tables at a time - we have logged over 100 hours, are at 3700 hands and still not hitting perfect accuracy...
U need to enter the cards in perfect order which makes sense - and suite matters - makes sense - but it needs to see the same hole cards several times to build the database. with 52 cards - there are 2,652 possible combinations of hole cards - if it needs to see each one 3 times - thats a minimum of 7,956 hands, and odds are you wont have seen each possible hole 3 times each so you better double that. By that time the RNG seed will have changed and you're back at the start. I havent seen one forum praising its worth - unless it also has a link to buy it for the discount price of $50 dollars.
Basically I think (I know) that it doesnt track or "lock on to" the rng per say - just guesses due to past hands - but I was optamistic that the algorithm would be slightly complex using graphing- so that several different hole card sets would be integrated to predict the community cards but i'm feeling skeptical.

Hell I'll even give you the link free if you want to waste an entire week of your life, night and day, to test it out

citytom
05-12-2006, 04:32 PM
I enjoyed reading your reply.
Insightful, informative, and humorous.

Citytom
www.pokerchipsvideo.com