From: Newgca (newgca@aol.com)
Subject: GCA "How to Beat NO LIMIT ONLINE Satellites" R
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Date: 2003-01-21 10:02:19 PST


How to beat the single table NO LIMIT ONLINE Tournaments

The first thing to realize is these single table tournaments are not like multi
table ones. The vast majority of the players are terrible. We will take a $33
single 10 handed tournament from Party Poker and go through it step by step.

The first you know is you receive T800 in chips. The blinds start at 10-15 for
10 hands, progress to 15-30 for 10 hands, proceed to 25-50 for 10 hands and
then reach 50-100 for 10 hands.

Smart play dictates you play extremely tight the first 3 rounds. You may want
to try this as an experiment just to see the validity of what I am about to
tell you. Buy into the tournament and push the away from the table button. Wait
for the 1st three rounds to go by and then start playing. Your stack at this
time would be -25 for the 1st round of blinds. -45 for the second round of
blinds and -75 for the 3rd round of blinds. You would now have a stack of T655
and would be ready to play. Probably the tournament would be down to 6 people
by now. You also have not played a hand and people are aware of it.

Don't think you are now entitled to go into the game trying to steal. You now
wait, being much aware of your position. The blinds will be 50-100 now and when
you make your 1st move, bet your whole stack. It doesn't matter if you have AA
or AK, bet your whole stack.. These one table tournaments are not like multi
table ones. When you open, move you whole stack in if it is small. Much larger
stack still require opening bets of approximately 10 to 1 or all your chips.
You will find this is a difficult style to combat when playing these one table
tourneys.

The problem most people have playing the early stages is the blinds are small
and people tend to play to lose. Throw away small pairs, AJ and such. Don't
even think of playing these hands when opening the pot. First of all, most have
no idea of how much to open with. Say the blinds are 10-15. You are dealt a
pair of 10's. What do you open with? What happens if you are called?

Forget about playing these hands except in the blinds or on the button. What
happens in the early stages of these tourneys means very little. Better to get
the blinds than go out losing your money in bits and pieces. First under the
gun with AA, bet all your chips. Many of these people call with pairs and Ax.

I have seen some of the most atrocious play possible in these tourneys. A
person stacks off before the flop and is called by a pair of 33 or so. The best
the person could have is in the probability of a coin toss, if not much worse.
At the beginning of these NO LIMIT tourneys, play ever chip like it was your
last. The tourney starts when you hit the 50-100 blind area. By this time, you
will probably be down to 6 players and have a whole different perspective on
the game.

Stop opening with A6s,KQs, or garbage like this. If you can't stick all your
chips into the pot, don't open. Obviously you will find times you will be dealt
a pair of KK in the 10-15 blinds. Obviously if you stack off, you may and will
run into AA. Problem is if you do, you will get broke anyway, just in a
different manner.

Try the method I am explaining to you. It will work and many times when you do
stack off, you will be surprised what calls you. Stealing the blinds comes
later on in the tourney, at the 50-100 part. Here when down to 5-6 players, you
will be forced to attempt steals. Though not really steals from a sense. Here
you can stack off with smaller pairs and Ax when on the button or one away.

Isolation is the key to winning these tourneys. Take on and beat 1 player and
save enough chips to be able to take a blind or two with out a mandatory call
because your stack is too small, when you get down to 6 players or so. The
number 1 priority is to get to the final 3 and a payoff. These tourneys are a
waiting game. Wait, even if you don't play a hand for the first 3 rounds. Avoid
the multi way pots and dumb medium pairs when opened in front of you. Wait
until the tourney gets short so you can stack off and get you 1 on 1 encounter.
Once you make the money, then you can play.

Remember one thing most of you don't know what to do. Early position, you are
dealt a pair of JJ with blinds of 15-30. What to do? Dump them and listen to
what I say. If you raise 60. 100 or 150, what happens? What happens when a over
card hits? What happens if you get multi callers? Realize all this does is hurt
you. For even if you do win a few hundred or double up, the tournaments starts
when the blinds go to 50-100.

One of the last things you want to call on of these all-in bets with is with a
small pair. Save playing these when you can stack off when down to 4 or 5
people. Far better to bet them, don't call with them, unless down to the last 2
or 3. This is probably the best way to become proficient at these small one
table satellites. Don't gamble and play hands early. It doesn't matter what you
do until you reach the 50-100 level. Just make sure you have enough chips to be
able to get the blinds without showing down. Winning without showing your hand
is a big benefit in these satellites. Obviously you will get nailed by a big
pair once in a while, but remember, you are also playing them and only them
early in the tourney. Either stack off, bet half your stack or fold. VERY
SIMPLE.

Just stop losing these 30's 15's and other small amounts. I guarantee you will
have much better tournament success with this advice than any you have ever
received before.

I will be posting how to play the 1 table limit tourneys next.

Russ Georgiev


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newgca@aol.com (Newgca) wrote in message news:<20030812070542.01045.00001259@mb-m22.aol.com>...
> From: Newgca (newgca@aol.com)
> Subject: GCA "How to Beat NO LIMIT ONLINE Satellites" R
> View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
> Original Format
> Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
> Date: 2003-01-21 10:02:19 PST
>
>
> How to beat the single table NO LIMIT ONLINE Tournaments
>
>
> Smart play dictates you play extremely tight the first 3 rounds

This is totally false. Smart play dictates that you play poker during
each level and adjust according to your opponents. "Extremely tight"
is just a silly statement that has no meaning.

Vince

>
>This is totally false. Smart play dictates that you play poker during
>each level and adjust according to your opponents. "Extremely tight"
>is just a silly statement that has no meaning.
>
>Vince
>
You mean like suited connectors and A suited? hahahahahahahahahahahaahaha

You don't play NO LIMIT, you don't play for a living. You don't know anything.
I am willing to bet I won more one table tourneys this week than anyone online.

I have the results.

Russ Georgiev

A couple of comments:

- If you get 2 or 3 player outs in 10/15 and other two in 15/30. The blinds
will still up every 10 hands and you will have more blinds that 1 every
round. At least you have 2 on 25/50. So you will came with 580 chips at
50/100 with blinds every 4 or five hands. And 5 opponents with at least 2 or
three of them with high stacks.

- If you do not make your big pair hand or AK in 9 or 10 hands you will have
to stealth the 50/100 or 100/200 blind against high stacks with Ax or some
dangerous hand.

I like your thoughts about NL Tournament. It made me change my playing hands
in the first 2 or 3 firts limits and tight them up, but If in a Party game
you feel you are better than the rest of the players it is so risky not to
play but AA, KK, QQ till 50/100.


Regards

Alvaro



"Newgca" <newgca@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:20030812203412.01379.00000422@mb-m15.aol.com...
> >
> >This is totally false. Smart play dictates that you play poker during
> >each level and adjust according to your opponents. "Extremely tight"
> >is just a silly statement that has no meaning.
> >
> >Vince
> >
> You mean like suited connectors and A suited? hahahahahahahahahahahaahaha
>
> You don't play NO LIMIT, you don't play for a living. You don't know
anything.
> I am willing to bet I won more one table tourneys this week than anyone
online.
>
> I have the results.
>
> Russ Georgiev

>I like your thoughts about NL Tournament. It made me change my playing hands
>in the first 2 or 3 firts limits and tight them up, but If in a Party game
>you feel you are better than the rest of the players it is so risky not to
>play but AA, KK, QQ till 50/100.
>
>
>Regards
>
>Alvaro
>
>
>
>"Newgca" <newgca@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
>news:20030812203412.01379.00000422@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> >
>> >This is totally false. Smart play dictates that you play poker during
>> >each level and adjust according to your opponents. "Extremely tight"
>> >is just a silly statement that has no meaning.
>> >
>> >Vince
>> >
>> You mean like suited connectors and A suited? hahahahahahahahahahahaahaha
>>
>> You don't play NO LIMIT, you don't play for a living. You don't know
>anything.
>> I am willing to bet I won more one table tourneys this week than anyone
>online.
>>
>> I have the results.
>>
>> Russ Georgiev
>
>
I STEAL< I STEAL and I STEAL. You'll be reading some tournaments that will be
posted. I only play big hands in the bigging of tournaments. When it gets down,
I stack off, stack off, stack off.

Russ Georgiev

Nobody seems to get this scam. Yeah, play super tight the first three
rounds, and you'll see yourself move up the ladder. Well, friggin duh. You
can sit in a NL sit-and-go, and never play a hand, and finish between 4th
and 6th 90% of the time. For some that would give the impression that
they're playing better.


If you want to win, play every hand the best you can. Only adjust for the
number of players remaining, as hands change value significantly, depending
on the size of the field. Exploit every edge. Unlike the big tournaments,
where you might take a pass on a small edge, single tables start up every
few minutes. If your AKs gets sucked out by a QJ, so what. next hand.
Nolimit will really challenge your reading skills. Keep notes on what hands
you put people on, and what you found they had. You may be underestimating,
and giving too much credit, or overestimating and thinking everyone else is
a moron.

Another adjustment in single table, which is different from those once a
year big events, is you should be less afraid to attack the big stacks.
It's not unusual for a big stack to call an all-in raise, for 1/3rd of their
stack. Your AQ will often be called by any two random cards, when you're
outstacked. Take advantage of this tendency. If they suck out, so what,
the next tournament is starting right after your pee break.

I tend to play tighter in these single table events, regardless of the
field. OTOH, I'll often open raise with group 3 hands in middle position.
IOW, I don't play many hands. Observant players will give you credit for
your hand selection, and maniacs will do what maniacs do.

Russ is an idiot.

"nutspp" <nutspp@ntdigitales.com> wrote in message
news:bhcssr$f0f$1@news.ya.com...
> A couple of comments:
>
> - If you get 2 or 3 player outs in 10/15 and other two in 15/30. The
blinds
> will still up every 10 hands and you will have more blinds that 1 every
> round. At least you have 2 on 25/50. So you will came with 580 chips at
> 50/100 with blinds every 4 or five hands. And 5 opponents with at least 2
or
> three of them with high stacks.
>
> - If you do not make your big pair hand or AK in 9 or 10 hands you will
have
> to stealth the 50/100 or 100/200 blind against high stacks with Ax or some
> dangerous hand.
>
> I like your thoughts about NL Tournament. It made me change my playing
hands
> in the first 2 or 3 firts limits and tight them up, but If in a Party game
> you feel you are better than the rest of the players it is so risky not to
> play but AA, KK, QQ till 50/100.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Alvaro
>
>
>
> "Newgca" <newgca@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:20030812203412.01379.00000422@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > >
> > >This is totally false. Smart play dictates that you play poker during
> > >each level and adjust according to your opponents. "Extremely tight"
> > >is just a silly statement that has no meaning.
> > >
> > >Vince
> > >
> > You mean like suited connectors and A suited?
hahahahahahahahahahahaahaha
> >
> > You don't play NO LIMIT, you don't play for a living. You don't know
> anything.
> > I am willing to bet I won more one table tourneys this week than anyone
> online.
> >
> > I have the results.
> >
> > Russ Georgiev
>
>

"Augie Chiausa" <achiausa@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message news:<1et_a.5453$CN.4840@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
> Nobody seems to get this scam. Yeah, play super tight the first three
> rounds, and you'll see yourself move up the ladder. Well, friggin duh. You
> can sit in a NL sit-and-go, and never play a hand, and finish between 4th
> and 6th 90% of the time. For some that would give the impression that
> they're playing better.
>
>
> If you want to win, play every hand the best you can. Only adjust for the
> number of players remaining, as hands change value significantly, depending
> on the size of the field. Exploit every edge. Unlike the big tournaments,
> where you might take a pass on a small edge, single tables start up every
> few minutes. If your AKs gets sucked out by a QJ, so what. next hand.
> Nolimit will really challenge your reading skills. Keep notes on what hands
> you put people on, and what you found they had. You may be underestimating,
> and giving too much credit, or overestimating and thinking everyone else is
> a moron.
>
> Another adjustment in single table, which is different from those once a
> year big events, is you should be less afraid to attack the big stacks.
> It's not unusual for a big stack to call an all-in raise, for 1/3rd of their
> stack. Your AQ will often be called by any two random cards, when you're
> outstacked. Take advantage of this tendency. If they suck out, so what,
> the next tournament is starting right after your pee break.
>
> I tend to play tighter in these single table events, regardless of the
> field. OTOH, I'll often open raise with group 3 hands in middle position.
> IOW, I don't play many hands. Observant players will give you credit for
> your hand selection, and maniacs will do what maniacs do.
>
> Russ is an idiot.

And you are a professional poker player? Are you challenging a world
class professional poker players advice? Good luck, you'll need it.

Russ (better than WCPP) Georgiev



>
> "nutspp" <nutspp@ntdigitales.com> wrote in message
> news:bhcssr$f0f$1@news.ya.com...
> > A couple of comments:
> >
> > - If you get 2 or 3 player outs in 10/15 and other two in 15/30. The
> blinds
> > will still up every 10 hands and you will have more blinds that 1 every
> > round. At least you have 2 on 25/50. So you will came with 580 chips at
> > 50/100 with blinds every 4 or five hands. And 5 opponents with at least 2
> or
> > three of them with high stacks.
> >
> > - If you do not make your big pair hand or AK in 9 or 10 hands you will
> have
> > to stealth the 50/100 or 100/200 blind against high stacks with Ax or some
> > dangerous hand.
> >
> > I like your thoughts about NL Tournament. It made me change my playing
> hands
> > in the first 2 or 3 firts limits and tight them up, but If in a Party game
> > you feel you are better than the rest of the players it is so risky not to
> > play but AA, KK, QQ till 50/100.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Alvaro
> >
> >
> >
> > "Newgca" <newgca@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
> > news:20030812203412.01379.00000422@mb-m15.aol.com...
> > > >
> > > >This is totally false. Smart play dictates that you play poker during
> > > >each level and adjust according to your opponents. "Extremely tight"
> > > >is just a silly statement that has no meaning.
> > > >
> > > >Vince
> > > >
> > > You mean like suited connectors and A suited?
> hahahahahahahahahahahaahaha
> > >
> > > You don't play NO LIMIT, you don't play for a living. You don't know
> anything.
> > > I am willing to bet I won more one table tourneys this week than anyone
> online.
> > >
> > > I have the results.
> > >
> > > Russ Georgiev
> >
> >

Russ,

This is a great start but not complete. Can you answer these questions?

Early in the tourney, if the pot isn't opened, what is the minumum hand
you will stack off with? AKs, QQ? What about AQs or AKo

Early in the tounrey, if the post has been opened, what is the minimum? I
assume QQ. What about AKo or AKs?

Later in the tourney (level 4 or higher and 5 players or so) when first to
open in late position what do you do with these kinds of hands: 66 A9o
Q10o Do you stack off or make big raises or fold these types of hands

Thanks,
Stan

On Aug 12 2003 12:15AM, Newgca wrote:
> How to beat the single table NO LIMIT ONLINE Tournaments
>

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RussGeorgiev@aol.com (Russ Georgiev) wrote in message news:<8cdaff48.0308132132.19deff7d@posting.google.com>...
>
> And you are a professional poker player? Are you challenging a world
> class professional poker players advice? Good luck, you'll need it.
>

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha! WCP yeah right.


Vince.

I will try your advice. I have been playing these single table tourneys online and at the Hard Rock in Tampa w/ limited success. I have noticed a few players playing your strategy and they seem to make it to the final 3 more often than not. I have been looking for some single table strategy and here it is. I do have a few questions though.
1) Early in the tourney aa, kk, qq, ak are bound do come up. Are they an instant all in from any spot or are they 1/2 all in or just play them from the button and cut off or maybe just play aa and kk and go in big w/ them but maybe play qq and ak from the back?
2) If you wait for the blinds to get to 50-100 and your stack is around 700 you might not have many hands or none at all until the blinds hit you. If you dont get a hand thru those blinds then you are down to 550. At this point you will have maybe 5-6 hands till you hit the blinds again. Should an adjustment in your game be made before 50-100 if you are gonna be 1st or second to be hit with those blinds and maybe more important - how long do you wait before going all in if you dont catch anything that resembles a hand?

I'm trying to devise a strategy for these exact single table toujrneys and would appreciate any extra tips. Thx.